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> there were accords that gave the Palestinians self-governance in the West Bank If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. > This w

by l3mure 2y ago

> there were accords that gave the Palestinians self-governance in the West Bank If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. > This was met with terrorism, with the express purpose of stopping the peace process. Whereas Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir were just peace loving dudes right?

edanm 2y ago
> If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. Forgot absolute terms for a minute. The Oslo accords gave Palestinians more self governance than they had before. It was a step in the right direction. The PA does have a form of self government over the Palestinians. It's not a full state, and I hope that we reach an agreement in which the Palestinians do get statehood, but we're not gong to get there by insisting that steps in the right direction are meaningless, and certainly not by increasing the amount of terror attacks to prevent the peace process. > Whereas Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir were just peace loving dudes right? No, of course not. They were terrible terrorists. In the case of Yigal Amir, he's sitting in jail where he belongs (Baruch Goldstein was beaten to death in the place he was attacking). Luckily Goldstein didn't derail the peace process, though Amir probably did.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > The PA does have a form of self government over the Palestinians. It's not a full state Yes, it is, and it is recognized by much of the world as such (its a state that has spent its entire existence at war with and partially occupied by Israel, but saying it isn't a full state is like saying Ukraine isn't because of the war and Russian occupation.)
  - edanm 2y ago
    Well, ok. That makes my point stronger, maybe you should be replying to parent comment? They said this: > If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. I was reacting to that.

by l3mure 2y ago

edanm 2y ago

> If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. Forgot absolute terms for a minute. The Oslo accords gave Palestinians more self governance than they had before. It was a step in the right direction. The PA does have a form of self government over the Palestinians. It's not a full state, and I hope that we reach an agreement in which the Palestinians do get statehood, but we're not gong to get there by insisting that steps in the right direction are meaningless, and certainly not by increasing the amount of terror attacks to prevent the peace process. > Whereas Baruch Goldstein and Yigal Amir were just peace loving dudes right? No, of course not. They were terrible terrorists. In the case of Yigal Amir, he's sitting in jail where he belongs (Baruch Goldstein was beaten to death in the place he was attacking). Luckily Goldstein didn't derail the peace process, though Amir probably did.

dragonwriter 2y ago
> The PA does have a form of self government over the Palestinians. It's not a full state Yes, it is, and it is recognized by much of the world as such (its a state that has spent its entire existence at war with and partially occupied by Israel, but saying it isn't a full state is like saying Ukraine isn't because of the war and Russian occupation.)
- edanm 2y ago
  Well, ok. That makes my point stronger, maybe you should be replying to parent comment? They said this: > If they couldn't stop the settlements, there was no self-governance. I was reacting to that.