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Two observations about your comment. The ^average^ Indian, the masses whose vote sway elections in India, isn't the person discussing politics around dinner tab

Two observations about your comment. The ^average^ Indian, the masses whose vote sway elections in India, isn't the person discussing politics around dinner tables. They come from the houses where literal dinner tables don't exist. They are the ones who votes are coerced by gifts, muscle power and increasingly propoganda. Secondly, of course the things that matter to the citizens in different countries would be different and of course the medium of propaganda in the countries are different (as an aside IMO, WhatsApp is the more influential medium in India). The topics like gun violence, abortion rights, race discrimination, health care, taxes ...etc are definitely things that get discussed about dinner tables and hold political sway in the US. The US style of 2 party system of presidential democracy and the role of electroral college are a bit problematic but the average US citizen isn't less political aware than the average Indian. My point being, your assertion that Indians are somehow less immune to propoganda, is potentially arising out of some unconscious bias (one or more of confirmation or conformity or affinity..etc biases)

srvmshr 2y ago
> The US style of 2 party system of presidential democracy and the role of electroral college are a bit problematic but the average US citizen isn't less political aware than the average Indian. I don't think I will agree with you there again. But then we all have viewpoints and you can agree to disagree. I could similarly opine that you believe in a simpler, universal model of how political demagoguery works. Different populations respond to different degrees. Looking at the voting bloc supporting DJT which is strongly pro-GOP/MAGA despite the dozens of legal challenges, the attempt to insurrection and felonies - that is unprecedented in any other place. My previous neighbors in NC still believe every one of the legal case is schadenfreude, and cannot understand why J6 actions were illegal and why "elections were not stolen". This is not a single person anecdote. A lot of educated people - working as nurse, technicians, delivery people just don't understand. I don't think this is just about loyalties. There is more at play. They are oblivious to many technicalities of governance and take the campaign email's/sms bulletpoints at face value. These are the target audience for TikTok based political influencing. If the poor in India scrounging for two meals don't understand political big picture, I can excuse that. How can the recent right-wing tribalism among educated, well to do people in US explainable? I know social awareness cannot be quantified, but this perception is not just mine. The way conservative faction is getting away with its shenanigans despite so many challenges makes people everywhere else wonder why US voter factions for e.g. in Midwest and South are so so gullible & what could be done for awareness
- devnonymous 2y ago
  I'm amused by your incredulity at how Trump could become president while simultaneously rationoalizing Modi being PM. The gullibility you so freely ascribed to the US Midwest and South... Is that not the same as those of the bhakts ? Like Trump, isn't Modi too not a self-aggradizIng, opportunistic felon ? I mean for all its faults the US did not give Donald Trump a second term and that's all that I have to say about this matter.
  - srvmshr 2y ago
    I am by no means a Modi supporter. All my replies have been scathing and critical of his government. That said I am amused too, at how you are completely normalizing Trump and Modi -- two autocrats of varying ambitions. But last I checked, only one is a convicted felon from sexual assualt to the theft of strategic security material. US did not give Trump a second term, but he is having enough second chances at anything -- including the presidency -- after these legal hurdles. That says heftily of the public support. Same situation is probably unheard in any country today -- including India. Remember Rajiv Gandhi? He'd have been jailed had he not been assassinated. That is not an opinion but facts. India is poorer but political checks and balances have traditionally worked better. The fourth estate has made people accountable even if they are under fire over time. We have our versions of Fox News but there is difference. Else IndiaTV wouldn't be a butt of jokes even among far right. Speaking of this as someone who has voted against BJP consistently after the Vajpayee era You have a grudge against my opinion -- feel free to. I started this discussion by saying we have different viewpoints of how social media is influencing people. I lived in both places in the last decade. I see it first place. I am by no means pointing fingers at you. You can be at peace with your world model. "The political shitshow in US is incomparable to anywhere else & a lot of it is voter ignorances" is probably the best tldr I could offer. You can choose to disagree, like I do for your viewpoint.

srvmshr 2y ago

> The US style of 2 party system of presidential democracy and the role of electroral college are a bit problematic but the average US citizen isn't less political aware than the average Indian. I don't think I will agree with you there again. But then we all have viewpoints and you can agree to disagree. I could similarly opine that you believe in a simpler, universal model of how political demagoguery works. Different populations respond to different degrees. Looking at the voting bloc supporting DJT which is strongly pro-GOP/MAGA despite the dozens of legal challenges, the attempt to insurrection and felonies - that is unprecedented in any other place. My previous neighbors in NC still believe every one of the legal case is schadenfreude, and cannot understand why J6 actions were illegal and why "elections were not stolen". This is not a single person anecdote. A lot of educated people - working as nurse, technicians, delivery people just don't understand. I don't think this is just about loyalties. There is more at play. They are oblivious to many technicalities of governance and take the campaign email's/sms bulletpoints at face value. These are the target audience for TikTok based political influencing. If the poor in India scrounging for two meals don't understand political big picture, I can excuse that. How can the recent right-wing tribalism among educated, well to do people in US explainable? I know social awareness cannot be quantified, but this perception is not just mine. The way conservative faction is getting away with its shenanigans despite so many challenges makes people everywhere else wonder why US voter factions for e.g. in Midwest and South are so so gullible & what could be done for awareness

devnonymous 2y ago
I'm amused by your incredulity at how Trump could become president while simultaneously rationoalizing Modi being PM. The gullibility you so freely ascribed to the US Midwest and South... Is that not the same as those of the bhakts ? Like Trump, isn't Modi too not a self-aggradizIng, opportunistic felon ? I mean for all its faults the US did not give Donald Trump a second term and that's all that I have to say about this matter.
- srvmshr 2y ago
  I am by no means a Modi supporter. All my replies have been scathing and critical of his government. That said I am amused too, at how you are completely normalizing Trump and Modi -- two autocrats of varying ambitions. But last I checked, only one is a convicted felon from sexual assualt to the theft of strategic security material. US did not give Trump a second term, but he is having enough second chances at anything -- including the presidency -- after these legal hurdles. That says heftily of the public support. Same situation is probably unheard in any country today -- including India. Remember Rajiv Gandhi? He'd have been jailed had he not been assassinated. That is not an opinion but facts. India is poorer but political checks and balances have traditionally worked better. The fourth estate has made people accountable even if they are under fire over time. We have our versions of Fox News but there is difference. Else IndiaTV wouldn't be a butt of jokes even among far right. Speaking of this as someone who has voted against BJP consistently after the Vajpayee era You have a grudge against my opinion -- feel free to. I started this discussion by saying we have different viewpoints of how social media is influencing people. I lived in both places in the last decade. I see it first place. I am by no means pointing fingers at you. You can be at peace with your world model. "The political shitshow in US is incomparable to anywhere else & a lot of it is voter ignorances" is probably the best tldr I could offer. You can choose to disagree, like I do for your viewpoint.