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US has urged Ukraine to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries

Arnt 2y ago
https://archive.is/OTRef https://archive.is/OTRef This sounds awfully complicated.
- quantified 2y ago
  It's simple, and mentioned more than once in the article: > “Nothing terrifies a sitting American president more than a surge in pump prices during an election year,” said Bob McNally, president of consultancy Rapidan Energy and a former White House energy adviser
  - Arnt 2y ago
    That part is simple. The interaction of the parts is what's complicated. For example, consider what policy led to that pressure on Ukraine and this on UAE and Austria: https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking/russias-backdoor-to-the-global-banking-system-is-slamming-shut-49bf5c53 https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking/russias-backdoor-to-the-... (https://archive.is/QbHZf https://archive.is/QbHZf).
consumer451 2y ago
I cannot imagine the frustration of Ukrainians upon hearing this. "Can't you please just die quietly?" is a common sarcastic reaction that I am seeing.
- jfengel 2y ago
  I am indeed certain they're frustrated. And equally frustrated by the opposite snide remark that the US is "willing to fight to the last Ukrainian". The US is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. There's a surreal agreement that somehow this war can be contained as long as we obey certain arbitrary rules. The US can send all the weapons it wants (except nuclear ones), but they can't send soldiers. The fight is against the Russian army, not the Russian people -- except for the fact that they (supposedly) just re-elected Putin. If Putin starts to feel the war will damage himself, then he'll feel free to end the entire world. This is bizarre and insane. But not necessarily wrong.
  - baybal2 2y ago
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- polski-g 2y ago
  They don't need to die; they can just surrender. Sometimes the good guys lose.
  - consumer451 2y ago
    And in that scenario, what would prevent the kremlin from taking the rest of Ukraine a few years later?
consumer451 2y ago
Hmm: > Ukraine denies US requested to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-to-halt-strikes-1711118430.html https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-...

Arnt 2y ago

https://archive.is/OTRef https://archive.is/OTRef This sounds awfully complicated.

quantified 2y ago
It's simple, and mentioned more than once in the article: > “Nothing terrifies a sitting American president more than a surge in pump prices during an election year,” said Bob McNally, president of consultancy Rapidan Energy and a former White House energy adviser
- Arnt 2y ago
  That part is simple. The interaction of the parts is what's complicated. For example, consider what policy led to that pressure on Ukraine and this on UAE and Austria: https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking/russias-backdoor-to-the-global-banking-system-is-slamming-shut-49bf5c53 https://www.wsj.com/finance/banking/russias-backdoor-to-the-... (https://archive.is/QbHZf https://archive.is/QbHZf).

I cannot imagine the frustration of Ukrainians upon hearing this. "Can't you please just die quietly?" is a common sarcastic reaction that I am seeing.

jfengel 2y ago
I am indeed certain they're frustrated. And equally frustrated by the opposite snide remark that the US is "willing to fight to the last Ukrainian". The US is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. There's a surreal agreement that somehow this war can be contained as long as we obey certain arbitrary rules. The US can send all the weapons it wants (except nuclear ones), but they can't send soldiers. The fight is against the Russian army, not the Russian people -- except for the fact that they (supposedly) just re-elected Putin. If Putin starts to feel the war will damage himself, then he'll feel free to end the entire world. This is bizarre and insane. But not necessarily wrong.
- baybal2 2y ago
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polski-g 2y ago
They don't need to die; they can just surrender. Sometimes the good guys lose.
- consumer451 2y ago
  And in that scenario, what would prevent the kremlin from taking the rest of Ukraine a few years later?

consumer451 2y ago

Hmm: > Ukraine denies US requested to halt strikes on Russian oil refineries https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-to-halt-strikes-1711118430.html https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-denies-us-requested-...