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These charts really show how overblown the murder/car theft issues are now. Higher than pre-pandemic yes, but still relatively low.

leereeves 2y ago
Relatively low...meaning slightly lower than 1994, when crime was so high that even black community leaders called for more police, and then Senator Joe Biden wrote "the largest crime bill in the history of the United States" that funded 100,000 more police officers and $10 billion for additional prisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_... But up 50% from the early 2010s.
- DinoDad13 2y ago
  Yes so stop freaking out over relatively low crime. Remember the lessons from that time.
  - sabarn01 2y ago
    Lowering Crime was the lesson I took away from it.
    - DinoDad13 2y ago
      How do you lower crime?
      - sabarn01 2y ago
        Reduction in the rate of murders seems like a good metric.
sabarn01 2y ago
a 50% rise in murder rate represent thousands of people I don't think we should discount it. I also think the rise in theft that people talk about anecdotally effects how people feel about living in cities. The us accepts a very large amount of disorder and that effects the overall trust in the society. Just an FYI. Crime is awful. If your poor and your stuff gets stolen that devastating having to pay more to secure you belongings is a real burden. Nothing makes an area poor like crime. The single most valuable things governments do is law and order the fact that we forgot that in 2020 should be distressing to everyone.
- DinoDad13 2y ago
  We didn't forget that in 2020. An increase in crime is a pretty normal side effect of a global pandemic. We are lucky that it stayed so tame despite police not doing their jobs because they are pissy about having some accountability.
  - sabarn01 2y ago
    The UK did not experience a surge in murders despite also experiencing a pandemic. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=U.K.%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for%202020%20was%201.00%2C%20a,2018%20was%201.14%2C%20a%207.19%25%20decline%20from%202017 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/uni....
    - DinoDad13 2y ago
      Neither did Kuwait. Canada, however, did have an increase. Global rates overall did increase.

leereeves 2y ago

Relatively low...meaning slightly lower than 1994, when crime was so high that even black community leaders called for more police, and then Senator Joe Biden wrote "the largest crime bill in the history of the United States" that funded 100,000 more police officers and $10 billion for additional prisons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_... But up 50% from the early 2010s.

DinoDad13 2y ago
Yes so stop freaking out over relatively low crime. Remember the lessons from that time.
- sabarn01 2y ago
  Lowering Crime was the lesson I took away from it.
  - DinoDad13 2y ago
    How do you lower crime?
    - sabarn01 2y ago
      Reduction in the rate of murders seems like a good metric.

sabarn01 2y ago

a 50% rise in murder rate represent thousands of people I don't think we should discount it. I also think the rise in theft that people talk about anecdotally effects how people feel about living in cities. The us accepts a very large amount of disorder and that effects the overall trust in the society. Just an FYI. Crime is awful. If your poor and your stuff gets stolen that devastating having to pay more to secure you belongings is a real burden. Nothing makes an area poor like crime. The single most valuable things governments do is law and order the fact that we forgot that in 2020 should be distressing to everyone.

DinoDad13 2y ago
We didn't forget that in 2020. An increase in crime is a pretty normal side effect of a global pandemic. We are lucky that it stayed so tame despite police not doing their jobs because they are pissy about having some accountability.
- sabarn01 2y ago
  The UK did not experience a surge in murders despite also experiencing a pandemic. https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=U.K.%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for%202020%20was%201.00%2C%20a,2018%20was%201.14%2C%20a%207.19%25%20decline%20from%202017 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/GBR/uni....
  - DinoDad13 2y ago
    Neither did Kuwait. Canada, however, did have an increase. Global rates overall did increase.