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Bro, it really is that simple. Literally everyone (except apparently you) is stealing from these retailers. The shrink rate is an order of magnitude higher on

Bro, it really is that simple. Literally everyone (except apparently you) is stealing from these retailers. The shrink rate is an order of magnitude higher on self checkout compared to a cashier lane with a human.

erkt 3y ago
Some people feel a moral imperative to try to steal from these stores.
maximus-decimus 3y ago
> Literally everyone (except apparently you) is stealing from these retailers I guess that's why I can't have nice things. What really bothers me is people who scam insurance and then boast to me about it as if I'm gonna tap them on the back for "sticking it to the man" when they're stealing money away from me by causing my insurance primes to increase but are too stupid to realize it.
- Sayrus 3y ago
  While I don't support that, that argument only works if your insurance is truly a nonprofit. If profit is involved, they can increase your primes even without people stealing simply for the sake of profit.
  - maximus-decimus 3y ago
    They'll increase it even further when people ask for pay outs.
    - willcipriano 2y ago
      The investors are always asking for pay outs.
diymaker 3y ago
The data does not back up this claim, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data...
- 3D39739091 3y ago
  https://progressivegrocer.com/shrink-self-checkout-lanes-worse-grocers-think#:~:text=According%20to%20research%20from%20Grabango,loss%20than%20traditional%20cashier%20lanes https://progressivegrocer.com/shrink-self-checkout-lanes-wor.... > That analysis showed that self-checkout led to a shrink rate more than 16 times higher than traditional cashier lines. Nearly 7% of self-checkout transactions had at least some amount of partial shrink, compared to 0.32% with cashiers. The analysis also suggested a shrink rate of 3.5% for self-checkout machines, while conventional cashiers only saw a 0.21% shrink rate.
  - ok_dad 3y ago
    > For its study, the company used computer vision to analyze nearly 5,000 retail transactions, comparing items the shoppers picked up during their shopping trip with transaction data to see what was actually purchased Then > According to Grabango, checkout-free technology powered by computer vision can help eliminate self-checkout shrink by tracking what shoppers pick up and charging them exactly what they owe. The company also stressed that average supermarkets could increase bottom-line profits by more than 50% per year by eliminating partial shrink from self-checkout alone. First, I don’t trust a company selling something to say they did a study, literally using that product, and the result of the study was to sell you something new. Not only that, but everyone knows computer vision isn’t always perfect, it’s similar to LLM AI in that when it works it’s amazing but it’s hard to get working. For this study it seems like they trusted their CV product to be perfect and compared it to the human scanned item list and assumed that was inaccurate. This article is literally just an ad, not a reliable source!
ok_dad 3y ago
What’s the evidence other than from corpo press releases? They haven’t shown numbers or evidence that’s the real reason, and you can’t trust a corpo to tell the whole truth.

erkt 3y ago

Some people feel a moral imperative to try to steal from these stores.

maximus-decimus 3y ago

> Literally everyone (except apparently you) is stealing from these retailers I guess that's why I can't have nice things. What really bothers me is people who scam insurance and then boast to me about it as if I'm gonna tap them on the back for "sticking it to the man" when they're stealing money away from me by causing my insurance primes to increase but are too stupid to realize it.

Sayrus 3y ago
While I don't support that, that argument only works if your insurance is truly a nonprofit. If profit is involved, they can increase your primes even without people stealing simply for the sake of profit.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  They'll increase it even further when people ask for pay outs.
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    The investors are always asking for pay outs.

diymaker 3y ago

The data does not back up this claim, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data...

3D39739091 3y ago
https://progressivegrocer.com/shrink-self-checkout-lanes-worse-grocers-think#:~:text=According%20to%20research%20from%20Grabango,loss%20than%20traditional%20cashier%20lanes https://progressivegrocer.com/shrink-self-checkout-lanes-wor.... > That analysis showed that self-checkout led to a shrink rate more than 16 times higher than traditional cashier lines. Nearly 7% of self-checkout transactions had at least some amount of partial shrink, compared to 0.32% with cashiers. The analysis also suggested a shrink rate of 3.5% for self-checkout machines, while conventional cashiers only saw a 0.21% shrink rate.
- ok_dad 3y ago
  > For its study, the company used computer vision to analyze nearly 5,000 retail transactions, comparing items the shoppers picked up during their shopping trip with transaction data to see what was actually purchased Then > According to Grabango, checkout-free technology powered by computer vision can help eliminate self-checkout shrink by tracking what shoppers pick up and charging them exactly what they owe. The company also stressed that average supermarkets could increase bottom-line profits by more than 50% per year by eliminating partial shrink from self-checkout alone. First, I don’t trust a company selling something to say they did a study, literally using that product, and the result of the study was to sell you something new. Not only that, but everyone knows computer vision isn’t always perfect, it’s similar to LLM AI in that when it works it’s amazing but it’s hard to get working. For this study it seems like they trusted their CV product to be perfect and compared it to the human scanned item list and assumed that was inaccurate. This article is literally just an ad, not a reliable source!

ok_dad 3y ago

What’s the evidence other than from corpo press releases? They haven’t shown numbers or evidence that’s the real reason, and you can’t trust a corpo to tell the whole truth.