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The anecdote doesn’t sound too bad: > During five weeks of job hunting, Croisant said she applied to 48 openings and landed two interviews. She finally opted t

The anecdote doesn’t sound too bad: > During five weeks of job hunting, Croisant said she applied to 48 openings and landed two interviews. She finally opted to accept a lower-level data analyst role and a roughly $3,000 reduction in her base pay to take a contract role starting next month at a financial technology company. > “This was an absolutely terrifying experience for me, and I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly feel secure in a job again,” Croisant said. “But I’m still one of the lucky ones in the end. I have friends who’ve been looking for months and still haven’t found anything.”

hakdbha 3y ago
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olah_1 3y ago
She thinks that was terrifying? I’ve been applying for 2 years and landed maybe 5 interviews, none of which offered me a job. Two friends recommended me for jobs and I couldn't even get phone calls screenings. Note: I am a white male.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  Why did you post your race and gender instead of your experience and projects worked on?
  - mozempthrowaway 3y ago
    I’ve been on hiring committees at Mozilla where being a white male hurts the candidate. The committee wants a racial minority, LQBTQIA+, etc. The best white males can do is claim to be neurodivergent. That one lets them get passed the filters. But I’ve been part of discussions where the committee explicitly said they were disappointed the best candidate didn’t help with diversity and thus we passed.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      That would be really illegal. But unfortunately, discrimination one way or the other often goes unpunished even if there are laws against it.
      - mozempthrowaway 3y ago
        It was really illegal. But what are you going to do? You can report your employer but once your culture has gotten to the point Mozilla’s has - where you can openly say these things, your problem isn’t one person. And your employer has a ton of ways to retaliate, then you have to prove that. Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change. We also have MRGs - Mozillian Resource Groups - where you can only join if you’re black, or gay, or <insert group>. That’s pretty blatantly illegal, too. Doesn’t stop it from happening.
        Larrikin 3y ago
        Your entire account exist to disparage Mozilla. If your stories are true you seem to exist at the company to take a pay check and don't actually have any moral qualms about what they do as long as they pay you. If you actually do work there and want change then why don't you try to make change instead of anonymously posting?
        mozempthrowaway 3y ago
        Did you read my post that you’re replying to? > Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change. It’s not about having moral qualms or not. The company doesn’t want to change, at least not on its own. So if the ship is sinking, yeah I’ll keep my few hundred K + benies on its way down. If anything the most change I can make is to keep working here and exposing all of the BS. Maybe enough of an uproar from the users will force them to change. Maybe if enough people who use FF see this and stop using it, they’ll be forced to change? It’s funny, we have an internal slack channel (#cccc to prove I work here) for dealing with external comms. Those in charge know a lot of our users are on HN, but they refer to people on this site as morons and it’s part of the playbook to avoid HN. Some are trying to change the opinion of HN internally. I can’t tell you what will come of my posting here but in the meantime I’m going to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
  - olah_1 3y ago
    7 years experience in both customer and product organizations. Running major programs, working with enterprise brands, etc.
    - Larrikin 3y ago
      Maybe you don't get interviews or offers if your contributions are generic "programs" and "etc" sums them up sufficiently as opposed to your race and gender?
      - Jcowell 3y ago
        To iterate , Your resume should be calling out what the projects were and its impact. It’s not enough to say “I can do Java”. No shit. What did you create/mantain/mutate with Java? What were novel problems that you had to deal with? What did this project aim to solve and if it did, how much did it benefit the company?

hakdbha 3y ago

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olah_1 3y ago

She thinks that was terrifying? I’ve been applying for 2 years and landed maybe 5 interviews, none of which offered me a job. Two friends recommended me for jobs and I couldn't even get phone calls screenings. Note: I am a white male.

Larrikin 3y ago
Why did you post your race and gender instead of your experience and projects worked on?
- mozempthrowaway 3y ago
  I’ve been on hiring committees at Mozilla where being a white male hurts the candidate. The committee wants a racial minority, LQBTQIA+, etc. The best white males can do is claim to be neurodivergent. That one lets them get passed the filters. But I’ve been part of discussions where the committee explicitly said they were disappointed the best candidate didn’t help with diversity and thus we passed.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    That would be really illegal. But unfortunately, discrimination one way or the other often goes unpunished even if there are laws against it.
    - mozempthrowaway 3y ago
      It was really illegal. But what are you going to do? You can report your employer but once your culture has gotten to the point Mozilla’s has - where you can openly say these things, your problem isn’t one person. And your employer has a ton of ways to retaliate, then you have to prove that. Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change. We also have MRGs - Mozillian Resource Groups - where you can only join if you’re black, or gay, or <insert group>. That’s pretty blatantly illegal, too. Doesn’t stop it from happening.
      - Larrikin 3y ago
        Your entire account exist to disparage Mozilla. If your stories are true you seem to exist at the company to take a pay check and don't actually have any moral qualms about what they do as long as they pay you. If you actually do work there and want change then why don't you try to make change instead of anonymously posting?
        mozempthrowaway 3y ago
        Did you read my post that you’re replying to? > Principles come at the expense of your salary sometimes, and sticking to your principles isn’t pragmatic if you can’t effect greater change. It’s not about having moral qualms or not. The company doesn’t want to change, at least not on its own. So if the ship is sinking, yeah I’ll keep my few hundred K + benies on its way down. If anything the most change I can make is to keep working here and exposing all of the BS. Maybe enough of an uproar from the users will force them to change. Maybe if enough people who use FF see this and stop using it, they’ll be forced to change? It’s funny, we have an internal slack channel (#cccc to prove I work here) for dealing with external comms. Those in charge know a lot of our users are on HN, but they refer to people on this site as morons and it’s part of the playbook to avoid HN. Some are trying to change the opinion of HN internally. I can’t tell you what will come of my posting here but in the meantime I’m going to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
- olah_1 3y ago
  7 years experience in both customer and product organizations. Running major programs, working with enterprise brands, etc.
  - Larrikin 3y ago
    Maybe you don't get interviews or offers if your contributions are generic "programs" and "etc" sums them up sufficiently as opposed to your race and gender?
    - Jcowell 3y ago
      To iterate , Your resume should be calling out what the projects were and its impact. It’s not enough to say “I can do Java”. No shit. What did you create/mantain/mutate with Java? What were novel problems that you had to deal with? What did this project aim to solve and if it did, how much did it benefit the company?