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Can one achieve elite status without wealth?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Can one achieve elite status without wealth? Absolutely. AOC became an elite before she became wealthy. Same for J. K. Rowling and most academics at the top of their fields.
- reaperman 3y ago
  Essentially no academics are part of the upper (ruling) class, except the ones that were born into it (e.g. Jeffrey Laurie or Élisabeth Badinter), or those who moved into academia after retiring from their primary career (e.g. Hillary Clinton becoming a professor of practice at Columbia)[0] 0: https://president.columbia.edu/news/hillary-rodham-clinton-join-columbia-community#:~:text=I%20write%20to%20announce%20that,Columbia%20World%20Projects%20(CWP) https://president.columbia.edu/news/hillary-rodham-clinton-j....
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > no academics are part of the upper (ruling) class Every one that achieves cultural relevance or an administrative post absolutely is. Some of those are born into it. Most are not.
    - reaperman 3y ago
      Can you give examples? I believe most of those would fall between "still needs to perform labor for a living" and "could live purely off of accrued capital, no longer needing to perform labor". But I don't know too many university presidents / deans / provosts who personally control enough wealth to have the power to change the direction of their society - they control truly large amounts of power only through their official appointments, and they themselves serve at the whims of those that rule them.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > most of those would fall between "still needs to perform labor for a living" and "could live purely off of accrued capital, no longer needing to perform labor" You’re still confusing wealth with power. Plenty of people who never need work again are not elites, e.g. Steve Wozniak. And plenty of elites don’t have enough saved to survive extended periods of not working, e.g. many in television or politics. > don't know too many university presidents / deans / provosts who personally control enough wealth to have the power to change the direction of their society Larry Summers. They don’t wield wealth as power. They wield influence. Same as how a U.S. Senator need not be wealthy to be powerful; if anything, they wield their power to produce wealth.

> Can one achieve elite status without wealth? Absolutely. AOC became an elite before she became wealthy. Same for J. K. Rowling and most academics at the top of their fields.

reaperman 3y ago
Essentially no academics are part of the upper (ruling) class, except the ones that were born into it (e.g. Jeffrey Laurie or Élisabeth Badinter), or those who moved into academia after retiring from their primary career (e.g. Hillary Clinton becoming a professor of practice at Columbia)[0] 0: https://president.columbia.edu/news/hillary-rodham-clinton-join-columbia-community#:~:text=I%20write%20to%20announce%20that,Columbia%20World%20Projects%20(CWP) https://president.columbia.edu/news/hillary-rodham-clinton-j....
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > no academics are part of the upper (ruling) class Every one that achieves cultural relevance or an administrative post absolutely is. Some of those are born into it. Most are not.
  - reaperman 3y ago
    Can you give examples? I believe most of those would fall between "still needs to perform labor for a living" and "could live purely off of accrued capital, no longer needing to perform labor". But I don't know too many university presidents / deans / provosts who personally control enough wealth to have the power to change the direction of their society - they control truly large amounts of power only through their official appointments, and they themselves serve at the whims of those that rule them.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > most of those would fall between "still needs to perform labor for a living" and "could live purely off of accrued capital, no longer needing to perform labor" You’re still confusing wealth with power. Plenty of people who never need work again are not elites, e.g. Steve Wozniak. And plenty of elites don’t have enough saved to survive extended periods of not working, e.g. many in television or politics. > don't know too many university presidents / deans / provosts who personally control enough wealth to have the power to change the direction of their society Larry Summers. They don’t wield wealth as power. They wield influence. Same as how a U.S. Senator need not be wealthy to be powerful; if anything, they wield their power to produce wealth.