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Really? Google doesn’t know your GPS location or what apps you’ve installed? How does Maps and the Play Store work then?

lern_too_spel 3y ago
Apple knows your location if any app uses the GPS. On Android, even Google Android, you're free to use fully on-device maps that don't send your location to anyone, or you could use competing apps that don't send your location to Google. Similarly, you can install apps from an APK from anywhere without telling Google or anybody else that you've installed them, even on Google Android. User control means privacy, not just better features.
- funnybeam 3y ago
  So, de-googled then. You're using a different App Store/sideloading and disabling a load of the functionality in Google Maps (GPS is kind of useful for navigation) As I said, this isn't an option for most people.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    Not de-Googled. Running a stock Google build. GPS doesn't require Google. It just reads radio signals. Only Apple requires sending the result of analyzing those GPS signals back to Apple, even if you just want to use it to find your location on a map stored locally. Apple doesn't give you any options for privacy.
    - jiggawatts 3y ago
      Assisted GPS is something literally every phone does, from every manufacturer. Without help from an external service, it would take up to half an hour to acquire a fix using GPS radio signals alone. I have a friend just like you, who looks at something perfectly innocent that Apple does, screams “spyiiiiiing!” and runs into the arms of Google — a company famous for turning people into data products. That’s literally all they do. They don’t even know how to do anything else to make money. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost that treats their users as customers, which is distasteful to you for some reason. PS: Apple phones can acquire a GPS lock without cellular connectivity. I’ve relied on this feature many times in the Australian outback. Oh, and you can turn Find My feature off if you’re that paranoid.
      - lern_too_spel 3y ago
        > Assisted GPS is something literally every phone does, from every manufacturer. The difference between every other manufacturer and Apple is that every other manufacturer lets you turn it off if you care about privacy. > Without help from an external service, it would take up to half an hour to acquire a fix using GPS radio signals alone Up to. If you're under a rock and haven't previously gotten a location. > Apple is a hardware company first and foremost Apple is a marketing company first and foremost. Why give users control, the only way to actual privacy, when not giving them control lets you make more money off of them and marketing privacy will fool people into believing you offer actual privacy? > PS: Apple phones can acquire a GPS lock without cellular connectivity. I’ve relied on this feature many times in the Australian outback. And yet despite this, your iPhone will send your location back to Apple, including where you were while you were offline, as soon as it gets network connectivity. > Oh, and you can turn Find My feature off if you’re that paranoid. That doesn't stop Apple from getting your location. You seem to believe I'm a Google apologist. You're wrong. I've criticized Google plenty on this forum. I'm a Firefox-using user control apologist.

lern_too_spel 3y ago

Apple knows your location if any app uses the GPS. On Android, even Google Android, you're free to use fully on-device maps that don't send your location to anyone, or you could use competing apps that don't send your location to Google. Similarly, you can install apps from an APK from anywhere without telling Google or anybody else that you've installed them, even on Google Android. User control means privacy, not just better features.

funnybeam 3y ago
So, de-googled then. You're using a different App Store/sideloading and disabling a load of the functionality in Google Maps (GPS is kind of useful for navigation) As I said, this isn't an option for most people.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  Not de-Googled. Running a stock Google build. GPS doesn't require Google. It just reads radio signals. Only Apple requires sending the result of analyzing those GPS signals back to Apple, even if you just want to use it to find your location on a map stored locally. Apple doesn't give you any options for privacy.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Assisted GPS is something literally every phone does, from every manufacturer. Without help from an external service, it would take up to half an hour to acquire a fix using GPS radio signals alone. I have a friend just like you, who looks at something perfectly innocent that Apple does, screams “spyiiiiiing!” and runs into the arms of Google — a company famous for turning people into data products. That’s literally all they do. They don’t even know how to do anything else to make money. Apple is a hardware company first and foremost that treats their users as customers, which is distasteful to you for some reason. PS: Apple phones can acquire a GPS lock without cellular connectivity. I’ve relied on this feature many times in the Australian outback. Oh, and you can turn Find My feature off if you’re that paranoid.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      > Assisted GPS is something literally every phone does, from every manufacturer. The difference between every other manufacturer and Apple is that every other manufacturer lets you turn it off if you care about privacy. > Without help from an external service, it would take up to half an hour to acquire a fix using GPS radio signals alone Up to. If you're under a rock and haven't previously gotten a location. > Apple is a hardware company first and foremost Apple is a marketing company first and foremost. Why give users control, the only way to actual privacy, when not giving them control lets you make more money off of them and marketing privacy will fool people into believing you offer actual privacy? > PS: Apple phones can acquire a GPS lock without cellular connectivity. I’ve relied on this feature many times in the Australian outback. And yet despite this, your iPhone will send your location back to Apple, including where you were while you were offline, as soon as it gets network connectivity. > Oh, and you can turn Find My feature off if you’re that paranoid. That doesn't stop Apple from getting your location. You seem to believe I'm a Google apologist. You're wrong. I've criticized Google plenty on this forum. I'm a Firefox-using user control apologist.