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I would encourage you to try out both the Quest 3 and the Apple Vision Pro for an extended period of time. If you had asked people during the advent of the tele

by mliker 3y ago

I would encourage you to try out both the Quest 3 and the Apple Vision Pro for an extended period of time. If you had asked people during the advent of the television, they would have expressed the same opinion about people wanting social connection instead of sitting in front of a box.

coldtea 3y ago
And they would be right. Television did fuck social connection. And the smartphone did it much worse.
- swores 3y ago
  No they clearly wouldn't be right. Even if we accept as fact the idea that both those things have had negative effects on society and on us, quite clearly huge numbers of people DO want TVs and smartphones, even if those things aren't leading to better, happier lives.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    I'm not sure how we could possibly quantify and compare better, happier lives before and after TVs or smartphones, but it would be impossible to narrow down the metrics to peg the change over such a long period of time on just those technologies. The scale is just too big and the timeline to long to possibly know why happiness may have increased, if it did at all. > quite clearly huge numbers of people DO want TVs and smartphones This really ventures into the space of addictive behaviors. Do meth addicts really want meth, or are they using for some other reason? Can we assume that they DO want the meth and that's the primary driver simply because they keep using it?
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      Pretty sure meth addicts really want meth, based on the chemical reactions involved between the brain and meth.
      - _heimdall 3y ago
        I guess I just am not as certain that I'd classify chemical addiction as a true "want", but maybe that's wrong.
- echoangle 3y ago
  That’s shifting the goalpost, the original point was that nobody wants this, not that it’s bad for society
- rqtwteye 3y ago
  That's true. But as far as business and popularity go, TV and smartphones were a huge success. In the end what makes money will be sold without regard for social consequences.
ausbah 3y ago
i think the key difference is “out in public”

by mliker 3y ago

coldtea 3y ago

And they would be right. Television did fuck social connection. And the smartphone did it much worse.

swores 3y ago
No they clearly wouldn't be right. Even if we accept as fact the idea that both those things have had negative effects on society and on us, quite clearly huge numbers of people DO want TVs and smartphones, even if those things aren't leading to better, happier lives.
- _heimdall 3y ago
  I'm not sure how we could possibly quantify and compare better, happier lives before and after TVs or smartphones, but it would be impossible to narrow down the metrics to peg the change over such a long period of time on just those technologies. The scale is just too big and the timeline to long to possibly know why happiness may have increased, if it did at all. > quite clearly huge numbers of people DO want TVs and smartphones This really ventures into the space of addictive behaviors. Do meth addicts really want meth, or are they using for some other reason? Can we assume that they DO want the meth and that's the primary driver simply because they keep using it?
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Pretty sure meth addicts really want meth, based on the chemical reactions involved between the brain and meth.
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      I guess I just am not as certain that I'd classify chemical addiction as a true "want", but maybe that's wrong.
echoangle 3y ago
That’s shifting the goalpost, the original point was that nobody wants this, not that it’s bad for society
rqtwteye 3y ago
That's true. But as far as business and popularity go, TV and smartphones were a huge success. In the end what makes money will be sold without regard for social consequences.

ausbah 3y ago

i think the key difference is “out in public”