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I think the quote is from a white man called Gordon Price. Full quote to assist you. "In 2022, Gordon Price, a prominent Vancouver urban planner and a former
by badcppdev 3y ago
I think the quote is from a white man called Gordon Price.
Full quote to assist you.
"In 2022, Gordon Price, a prominent Vancouver urban planner and a former city councillor, told Gitxsan reporter Angela Sterritt, “When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building."
"White man" can be used in that form when the white man appears to be telling a different culture what they can or cannot do or be.
- chrisco255 3y agoSure if you want to be racist. The shoe on the other foot, replace White man with Black man, Red man, etc and its clear that its racist.
- ivan_gammel 3y ago“White man” is not racist, it is a self-describing short term for Eurocentric supremacy and a quote from Kipling. As such it is not replaceable by Black/Red etc. Everyone can use it in such context as a metaphor, not as a racial reference. Edit: previously my message included some poor choice of words, which I will keep here for history and an example of accidental bias: “White men are absolutely allowed to use it as a slur towards other white men.”
- gambiting 3y ago>>White men are absolutely allowed to use it as a slur towards other white men. What kind of nonsense is that, the mental gymnastics to not call it what it simply is - racism - is just unbelivable.
- ivan_gammel 3y agoFeel free to suggest another term for a person of European origin and Eurocentric education who is lecturing indigenous people on how to live. Modern discourse isn’t about physical characteristics at all, even it does have roots in old racial theory. It’s certain views, it’s identity and culture. If someone behaves like in Kipling’s poem, he is the white man, not because of his race, but because of his actions.
- gambiting 3y agoI'm not debating the original point - I'm commenting on the clearly quoted section which says what white men are allowed to call other white men. Like, it really doesn't ring any bells of "something is not right here" when you read it?
- ivan_gammel 3y agoHaha, now I got you and apologize for inaccurate choice of words. Those bells didn’t ring, as I’m not American and not native speaker. Of course, everyone can use it.
- williamcotton 3y agoFive year olds and internet commenters care about things being even-handed and fair. The rest of the world either settles their matters or employs lawyers to do so for them. Most time settlement is a disappointing serving a crow, hence the glint of involving the courts. How much will that serving of crow cost? Why do I bring this up? This “replace X with Y” is the ultimate form of an algebraic rhetoric that demands a fully balanced system of mathematical perfection as if this were a reasonable way to go about things.
- LunaSea 3y agoIronically, this is the most Twitter-logic garbage explanation I've seen in this thread. Laws do impose parity so in fact it's not just some online rhetorical device.
- trimethylpurine 3y agoI disagree. It's an ad hominem point. Comments should focus on ideas. Race based commentary like this is a discredit to one's own argument and character.
- ethanbond 3y agoRace: Famously irrelevant to the whole tribal lands/indigenous rights topic
- coldtea 3y agoIt's irrelevant to "does this follow indigenous tradition or violate it" point, which is the point discussed in the subthread - not tribal lands/indigenous rights.
- badcppdev 3y agoWhy would Indigenous people have to follow tradition? I believe it is racist (or sexist) to say that a group of people cannot do something because that is not something they've done in the past. For Mr Gordon Price to imply that a group should not do something because it has not been done before is him trying to deny their agency.
- coldtea 3y ago>Why would Indigenous people have to follow tradition? They don't "have to". But they can break with it in a nice way or in a bad way. Same way a culture can change their tradition in a respectful way or to replace it with McDonalds and Starbucks for example. This is not confined to "indigenous people". The same critique can and does apply to any group.
- trimethylpurine 3y agoNo one said they do. The article provides no background or context from which one could conclude an implication that "a group should not do something because it has not been done before." He didn't say that. The article attempts very poorly to imply that meaning. You've created a dummy to punch and you're punching it. Unfortunately this is all too common. It's called a straw man fallacy.
- dudeinjapan 3y agoThe correct slur to use here is Honky.