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Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

26 points by sgt_bilko 3y ago

protocolture 3y ago
Already pay more for registration. Funnily enough my Chyank Tank is one of the most fuel efficient cars I have ever driven, so they cant get me there. DPF is factory installed, so emissions aren't the issue. Its got 360 degree cameras and alerts and bells and alarms and things so its not a safety thing. Is it envy or revenue raising. Only 2 options left really.
- cafard 3y ago
  Not downvoting, but perhaps those who did shared my thought "safety for whom thing?"
  - protocolture 3y ago
    Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights, and overly sensitive sensors that pick up every leaf and twig. At highway speeds it will take over and slam the brakes on for me. Cruise control matches speed of the vehicle ahead of me, and the lane assist is almost parental. So the answer is... you, and children, and other squishy things either out of or inside of smaller vehicles.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      >Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights The actual data shows that these camera covered tanks kill pedestrians way more than the tinycars of yesteryear.
- youngtaff 3y ago
  It’s not… SUVs are hostile to everyone else on the road… they consume more space, generate more pollutants
magnetowasright 3y ago
This is going to be costly to implement and maintain and the benefits are unclear to ...everyone, apparently? Bit of a head scratcher to me. I may just need to learn how to read. Issuing demerit points (or fines) for these vehicles when their trays or hoods block footpaths without might change behaviour and increase accessibility? Just spitballing my totally unprofessional opinion. Disabled parking is a moot point when people with mobility issues and/or those who use mobility aids have to use the road because the footpath is blocked. Having parks that are actually long enough for these vehicles doesn't seem to stop drivers from obstructing footpaths, at least in my town (which is in the same state as Naarm/Melbourne). Regulating the hood-taller-than-most-adults, useless-3-foot-bed monstrosities as to require additional licensing or as commercial only vehicles (or something to that effect) might make a difference. Never gonna happen, though. On the topic of regulating vehicles, it'd be nice if the stock headlight brightness and colour were regulated to not blind people, especially those of us who don't drive yank tanks or other tall vehicles. Slip in some totally unrelated stuff requiring basic safety features (headlights, indicators, windscreen wipers, maybe even basic media and environment controls) to be physical controls and not touchscreen rubbish would be nice. I can dream.
exodust 3y ago
If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively uncommon. Most people said "ok fair enough". Surprise surprise they are using oldest trick in book. Increase initial acceptance of an idea with ambiguity and omission. Later, we find it's not just about "Dodge Ram Behemoths" but also the much smaller "Rav4", owned by millions of battling Aussies. Good luck with that plan!
- protocolture 3y ago
  Yeah its getting play everywhere. I saw them screaming about it on Gruen too, with the claim that the Dodge Ram can only be sold here and russia. Which uh wikipedia finds interesting "n 2022, Ram trucks were available in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Angola, Ghana, Peru, Europe, the Philippines, and the Middle East.[85] The Ram trucks officially sold in many Latin American countries are outfitted with UNECE WP.29 lighting equipment, including the taillights with separate amber turn signal indicators.[86]"
- p0w3n3d 3y ago
  Throw out the 1.4-1.6 tonne SUVs and leave the 2-2.5 tonne EVs. It's not about weight or size. It's about: divide people to two groups and make one feel more superior. This method allows to introduce oppressive laws.
- morbicer 3y ago
  But the Rav4 is 10cm wider than Corolla, European parking spaces are not built for huge cars
  - exodust 3y ago
    It's actually 7.5cm wider, about the length of your index finger. In other words, negligible. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018-sedan-eu-vs-toyota-rav4-2019-suv-swb/ https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

26 points by sgt_bilko 3y ago

Already pay more for registration. Funnily enough my Chyank Tank is one of the most fuel efficient cars I have ever driven, so they cant get me there. DPF is factory installed, so emissions aren't the issue. Its got 360 degree cameras and alerts and bells and alarms and things so its not a safety thing. Is it envy or revenue raising. Only 2 options left really.

cafard 3y ago
Not downvoting, but perhaps those who did shared my thought "safety for whom thing?"
- protocolture 3y ago
  Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights, and overly sensitive sensors that pick up every leaf and twig. At highway speeds it will take over and slam the brakes on for me. Cruise control matches speed of the vehicle ahead of me, and the lane assist is almost parental. So the answer is... you, and children, and other squishy things either out of or inside of smaller vehicles.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    >Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights The actual data shows that these camera covered tanks kill pedestrians way more than the tinycars of yesteryear.
youngtaff 3y ago
It’s not… SUVs are hostile to everyone else on the road… they consume more space, generate more pollutants

magnetowasright 3y ago

This is going to be costly to implement and maintain and the benefits are unclear to ...everyone, apparently? Bit of a head scratcher to me. I may just need to learn how to read. Issuing demerit points (or fines) for these vehicles when their trays or hoods block footpaths without might change behaviour and increase accessibility? Just spitballing my totally unprofessional opinion. Disabled parking is a moot point when people with mobility issues and/or those who use mobility aids have to use the road because the footpath is blocked. Having parks that are actually long enough for these vehicles doesn't seem to stop drivers from obstructing footpaths, at least in my town (which is in the same state as Naarm/Melbourne). Regulating the hood-taller-than-most-adults, useless-3-foot-bed monstrosities as to require additional licensing or as commercial only vehicles (or something to that effect) might make a difference. Never gonna happen, though. On the topic of regulating vehicles, it'd be nice if the stock headlight brightness and colour were regulated to not blind people, especially those of us who don't drive yank tanks or other tall vehicles. Slip in some totally unrelated stuff requiring basic safety features (headlights, indicators, windscreen wipers, maybe even basic media and environment controls) to be physical controls and not touchscreen rubbish would be nice. I can dream.

exodust 3y ago

If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively uncommon. Most people said "ok fair enough". Surprise surprise they are using oldest trick in book. Increase initial acceptance of an idea with ambiguity and omission. Later, we find it's not just about "Dodge Ram Behemoths" but also the much smaller "Rav4", owned by millions of battling Aussies. Good luck with that plan!

protocolture 3y ago
Yeah its getting play everywhere. I saw them screaming about it on Gruen too, with the claim that the Dodge Ram can only be sold here and russia. Which uh wikipedia finds interesting "n 2022, Ram trucks were available in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Angola, Ghana, Peru, Europe, the Philippines, and the Middle East.[85] The Ram trucks officially sold in many Latin American countries are outfitted with UNECE WP.29 lighting equipment, including the taillights with separate amber turn signal indicators.[86]"
p0w3n3d 3y ago
Throw out the 1.4-1.6 tonne SUVs and leave the 2-2.5 tonne EVs. It's not about weight or size. It's about: divide people to two groups and make one feel more superior. This method allows to introduce oppressive laws.
morbicer 3y ago
But the Rav4 is 10cm wider than Corolla, European parking spaces are not built for huge cars
- exodust 3y ago
  It's actually 7.5cm wider, about the length of your index finger. In other words, negligible. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018-sedan-eu-vs-toyota-rav4-2019-suv-swb/ https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...