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Which company makes better laptops than Apple?

by adamlett 3y ago

ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago
Lenovo, Dell and others. Because they make laptos with matte screens.
- piva00 3y ago
  That's a bit of hyperbole, matte screens doesn't make a laptop better, it's a preference.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    Same as a better battery life, number of ports, keyboard layout/feel, anything else. The whole package is just a sum of what fits anyone's requirements / preferences.
    - piva00 3y ago
      In that sense any discussion of a "better laptop" is nonsensical if it's only matters of preference and no agreed upon objective metrics to be based on :)
      - rcxdude 3y ago
        Well, it's sufficient to point out that for some people, other manufacturers make better laptops than Apple.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    They do if you dare to use your laptop in a brightly lit room or ... shudder ... on a balcony/porch outside. Even if it's shaded. The problem is you have to run Windows, and while Apple is starting to go nuts with their OS, Microsoft is still outdoing them in the insanity department. I'm just setting up a new win 10 install for development... takes longer to disable the spam and upsells than to set up the actual project.
    - smt88 3y ago
      A) Can't you run a Linux OS? B) Use ShutUp10 to automate the cleansing process.
  - smartbit 3y ago
    heise.de in the past did some tests and measured the contrast ratio on a glossy screen at the point of reflection and, if my memory serves me well, they measured a 10:1 contrast ratio. That is by all standards not good. IOW are you arguing that it is a preference that you can guarantee you never have a working environment with reflecting lights in your screen? For those who aren't aware, Heise Verlag is a German publisher with several top computer magazines, notably biweekly c’t with a circulation of 270.000 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C't https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C't
    - archagon 3y ago
      Media looks worse on matte screens.
Ylpertnodi 3y ago
...it depends?
throwaway2990 3y ago
You’re being downvoted because no one has a valid answer other than their opinion. Manufactures have spent years trying to copy Apple enough to build a better laptop and so far have failed.
prmoustache 3y ago
It depends on individual requirements. Most Apple laptops have better battery life than all of my laptops, but current ones have less memory available to run virtual machines unless I pay a huge premium which raise would raise the price 7 x over what I paid for my current Thinkpad E580. Also the later has a matte screen which I can't have on a Macbook nor can they fold like my Lenovo Yoga to be used as a tablet and drawing board. If I was travelling a lot and spending a lot of time outside home I guess the battery life would trump any other factor and it would be a better option. In my case this is not a deciding factor as my laptops spend most of their time at home and as long as battery last a couple a few hours they will be plugged before it gets empty. I still benefit from the laptop form factor as I can still move them from one room to another easily or use them outdoor. Besides premium price + sustained higher price in the second hand market make it so that at an average of around 350€ the cumulative price of all the computers (5) in my household is lower than the asking price of a single Macbook Pro with only 8GB of memory and a single 1TB hard drive.
- adamlett 3y ago
  It depends on individual requirements. Most Apple laptops have better battery life than all of my laptops, but current ones have less memory available to run virtual machines unless I pay a huge premium which raise would raise the price 7 x over what I paid for my current Thinkpad E580. Also the later has a matte screen which I can't have on a Macbook nor can they fold like my Lenovo Yoga to be used as a tablet and drawing board. It's quite a requirement that to be considered overall best, a product must be best at every conceivable niche. You wouldn't disqualify Lionel Messi from consideration of being the world's best football player by saying that he is (probably) not a very good goalkeeper? Not to say that a MacBook is the Lionel Messi of laptops, but just that a laptop can overall best, while also being a bad fit for a particular role. I also think price while obviously relevant when it comes to a purchasing decision, is irrelevant when talking about which product is better. To determine which tool is best for hammering nails, it's irrelevant that a rock is cheaper than a hammer. The only relevant criteria is which you would pick if you were free to choose. And, it would frankly be strange if the better product weren't also the more expensive product. My personal opinion is that Apple has been killing it with their laptops since the introduction of the first M1 MacBook Air. This seems to also be the universal sentiment in the Apple community. I'm aware of no product in the PC space that seem so universally acclaimed, let alone could plausibly serve as basis for a claim that Apple is somehow behind in this category.

Which company makes better laptops than Apple?

ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago

Lenovo, Dell and others. Because they make laptos with matte screens.

piva00 3y ago
That's a bit of hyperbole, matte screens doesn't make a laptop better, it's a preference.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  Same as a better battery life, number of ports, keyboard layout/feel, anything else. The whole package is just a sum of what fits anyone's requirements / preferences.
  - piva00 3y ago
    In that sense any discussion of a "better laptop" is nonsensical if it's only matters of preference and no agreed upon objective metrics to be based on :)
    - rcxdude 3y ago
      Well, it's sufficient to point out that for some people, other manufacturers make better laptops than Apple.
- nottorp 3y ago
  They do if you dare to use your laptop in a brightly lit room or ... shudder ... on a balcony/porch outside. Even if it's shaded. The problem is you have to run Windows, and while Apple is starting to go nuts with their OS, Microsoft is still outdoing them in the insanity department. I'm just setting up a new win 10 install for development... takes longer to disable the spam and upsells than to set up the actual project.
  - smt88 3y ago
    A) Can't you run a Linux OS? B) Use ShutUp10 to automate the cleansing process.
- smartbit 3y ago
  heise.de in the past did some tests and measured the contrast ratio on a glossy screen at the point of reflection and, if my memory serves me well, they measured a 10:1 contrast ratio. That is by all standards not good. IOW are you arguing that it is a preference that you can guarantee you never have a working environment with reflecting lights in your screen? For those who aren't aware, Heise Verlag is a German publisher with several top computer magazines, notably biweekly c’t with a circulation of 270.000 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C't https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/C't
  - archagon 3y ago
    Media looks worse on matte screens.

Ylpertnodi 3y ago

...it depends?

throwaway2990 3y ago

You’re being downvoted because no one has a valid answer other than their opinion. Manufactures have spent years trying to copy Apple enough to build a better laptop and so far have failed.

prmoustache 3y ago

It depends on individual requirements. Most Apple laptops have better battery life than all of my laptops, but current ones have less memory available to run virtual machines unless I pay a huge premium which raise would raise the price 7 x over what I paid for my current Thinkpad E580. Also the later has a matte screen which I can't have on a Macbook nor can they fold like my Lenovo Yoga to be used as a tablet and drawing board. If I was travelling a lot and spending a lot of time outside home I guess the battery life would trump any other factor and it would be a better option. In my case this is not a deciding factor as my laptops spend most of their time at home and as long as battery last a couple a few hours they will be plugged before it gets empty. I still benefit from the laptop form factor as I can still move them from one room to another easily or use them outdoor. Besides premium price + sustained higher price in the second hand market make it so that at an average of around 350€ the cumulative price of all the computers (5) in my household is lower than the asking price of a single Macbook Pro with only 8GB of memory and a single 1TB hard drive.

adamlett 3y ago
It depends on individual requirements. Most Apple laptops have better battery life than all of my laptops, but current ones have less memory available to run virtual machines unless I pay a huge premium which raise would raise the price 7 x over what I paid for my current Thinkpad E580. Also the later has a matte screen which I can't have on a Macbook nor can they fold like my Lenovo Yoga to be used as a tablet and drawing board. It's quite a requirement that to be considered overall best, a product must be best at every conceivable niche. You wouldn't disqualify Lionel Messi from consideration of being the world's best football player by saying that he is (probably) not a very good goalkeeper? Not to say that a MacBook is the Lionel Messi of laptops, but just that a laptop can overall best, while also being a bad fit for a particular role. I also think price while obviously relevant when it comes to a purchasing decision, is irrelevant when talking about which product is better. To determine which tool is best for hammering nails, it's irrelevant that a rock is cheaper than a hammer. The only relevant criteria is which you would pick if you were free to choose. And, it would frankly be strange if the better product weren't also the more expensive product. My personal opinion is that Apple has been killing it with their laptops since the introduction of the first M1 MacBook Air. This seems to also be the universal sentiment in the Apple community. I'm aware of no product in the PC space that seem so universally acclaimed, let alone could plausibly serve as basis for a claim that Apple is somehow behind in this category.