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Wow - did you just completely rip off Attio's website: Your website: https://teable.io/ https://teable.io/ Attios website: https://attio.com/ https://attio.co

by foxbee 3y ago

Wow - did you just completely rip off Attio's website: Your website: https://teable.io/ https://teable.io/ Attios website: https://attio.com/ https://attio.com/ --- Also, what makes this different from: Budibase (cofounder) https://budibase.com https://budibase.com Baserow https://baserow.com https://baserow.com Nocodb https://nocodb.com https://nocodb.com

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nolongerthere 3y ago
Looks like they used framer.com based on a pop up I see on the bottom right, so maybe that’s a template?
- djfdat 3y ago
  They should really think about changing out the theme asap. It may not be their fault that they used the same template and their logos look similar, but being the new entrant, they should definitely establish their own brand look.
  - bieberChen 3y ago
    Sure we will, this week.
    - sigmarule 3y ago
      In all honesty, don't. Seriously, this is bad advice. Nobody is going to visit your website and say "woah, this looks like Attio's website - I'm out!" with, evidently, the exception of a few folks from Attio. The website looks good, you and the other company aren't truly direct competitors so branding conflicts are not much of a concern, and if you both truly just derived your designs from a root common theme then I don't know why this is even being brought up here, unless the other commenters were unaware that their design was derived from a template. There are undoubtedly things significantly more worth spending time on as a very early startup then redesigning your website to appease a few people on HN, who were (assuming the common template bit is true) in the wrong for raising this issue to begin with and and should be updating their comment with this context. EDIT - apologies, the OP here is not from Attio which was my assumption and would've made the OP's post unnecessary but an understandable reflex to seeing a doppelganger of their own website. If you check the OP's profile to see which company they're _actually_ from you will certainly realize that this entire comment chain should be fully ignored. It's pretty shitty, actually.
      - foxbee 3y ago
        I think I was pretty open in my comment (cofounder). They copied Attio's SVG image and everything. My issue was not the aesthetics but the fact they copied another organization's work. Surely, you don't think that's right?
        sigmarule 3y ago
        Are you serious, man? You edited your comment, twice. We both know your comment did not include "(cofounder)", but did include unnecessary jabs at your your competitor ("this makes me lose all faith in our credibility.") when you posted it. I've used Budibase and think it's a great product, and couldn't have anything but respect for the people behind it. You're above this. EDIT - Apologies, you did indeed include "(cofounder)" in your original post, I just missed it (based on bing's cached page.) Regardless, this is not the way to deal with competitors, and frankly your product speaks for itself. And perhaps obscene amounts of torrenting in my teenage years has permanently skewed my moral compass for these things, but I really don't care about table cell background svg theft.
        foxbee 3y ago
        I'm sorry to hear about your years of torment.
  - esafak 3y ago
    They should not be thinking about branding at this stage. They should be thinking about differentiation, and delivering value. Getting in front of customers. Their landing page looks perfectly adequate from an aesthetic perspective.
bieberChen 3y ago
I'm truly sorry if our actions have caused any offense. Our team consists of 5 freelance programmers without any designers on board, and without any funding, so we had to tackle the design aspect ourselves. Initially, we planned to use a colorful gradient theme, but found the UI coordination too challenging for us. It was then that we came across the beautiful simplicity of shadcn, and decided to go with a black and white theme. We did look at various black and white themed websites on the market, including Notion and Attio, but I assure you, we did not plagiarize any images. Thank you for your critique. We will make it our priority to adjust our design to be more unique as swiftly as possible.
- byteofbits 3y ago
  I think it's a bit strange to reply directly that you did not plagiarise any images when the opening table cell background is a direct lift of the SVG from our site...
  - haswell 3y ago
    As a neutral observer, it’s hard to make sense of what exactly you’re saying was copied. What is the opening table cell background? Is this something in the app code itself, or something that made it onto the public site? And this SVG was custom made by your company?
    - byteofbits 3y ago
      The creator chose to remove the image in question following my post. You can see the image behind the central video on the wayback machine archive here: https://web.archive.org/web/20240311143537/https://teable.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240311143537/https://teable.io... The asset was created in-house by our design team custom for our website (not outsourced or a template) and was copied identically. The asset itself is a small thing, but the denial of something which is materially provable seemed very odd to me, hence my reply!
      - haswell 3y ago
fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
> Also, what makes this different from With no prior knowledge of any of these and briefly glancing through each site, the main thing that sticks out to me is that Teable is free as in has no pricing page (for now at least)
- foxbee 3y ago
  The others are open source

by foxbee 3y ago

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nolongerthere 3y ago

Looks like they used framer.com based on a pop up I see on the bottom right, so maybe that’s a template?

djfdat 3y ago
They should really think about changing out the theme asap. It may not be their fault that they used the same template and their logos look similar, but being the new entrant, they should definitely establish their own brand look.
- bieberChen 3y ago
  Sure we will, this week.
  - sigmarule 3y ago
    In all honesty, don't. Seriously, this is bad advice. Nobody is going to visit your website and say "woah, this looks like Attio's website - I'm out!" with, evidently, the exception of a few folks from Attio. The website looks good, you and the other company aren't truly direct competitors so branding conflicts are not much of a concern, and if you both truly just derived your designs from a root common theme then I don't know why this is even being brought up here, unless the other commenters were unaware that their design was derived from a template. There are undoubtedly things significantly more worth spending time on as a very early startup then redesigning your website to appease a few people on HN, who were (assuming the common template bit is true) in the wrong for raising this issue to begin with and and should be updating their comment with this context. EDIT - apologies, the OP here is not from Attio which was my assumption and would've made the OP's post unnecessary but an understandable reflex to seeing a doppelganger of their own website. If you check the OP's profile to see which company they're _actually_ from you will certainly realize that this entire comment chain should be fully ignored. It's pretty shitty, actually.
    - foxbee 3y ago
      I think I was pretty open in my comment (cofounder). They copied Attio's SVG image and everything. My issue was not the aesthetics but the fact they copied another organization's work. Surely, you don't think that's right?
      - sigmarule 3y ago
        Are you serious, man? You edited your comment, twice. We both know your comment did not include "(cofounder)", but did include unnecessary jabs at your your competitor ("this makes me lose all faith in our credibility.") when you posted it. I've used Budibase and think it's a great product, and couldn't have anything but respect for the people behind it. You're above this. EDIT - Apologies, you did indeed include "(cofounder)" in your original post, I just missed it (based on bing's cached page.) Regardless, this is not the way to deal with competitors, and frankly your product speaks for itself. And perhaps obscene amounts of torrenting in my teenage years has permanently skewed my moral compass for these things, but I really don't care about table cell background svg theft.
        foxbee 3y ago
        I'm sorry to hear about your years of torment.
- esafak 3y ago
  They should not be thinking about branding at this stage. They should be thinking about differentiation, and delivering value. Getting in front of customers. Their landing page looks perfectly adequate from an aesthetic perspective.

bieberChen 3y ago

I'm truly sorry if our actions have caused any offense. Our team consists of 5 freelance programmers without any designers on board, and without any funding, so we had to tackle the design aspect ourselves. Initially, we planned to use a colorful gradient theme, but found the UI coordination too challenging for us. It was then that we came across the beautiful simplicity of shadcn, and decided to go with a black and white theme. We did look at various black and white themed websites on the market, including Notion and Attio, but I assure you, we did not plagiarize any images. Thank you for your critique. We will make it our priority to adjust our design to be more unique as swiftly as possible.

byteofbits 3y ago
I think it's a bit strange to reply directly that you did not plagiarise any images when the opening table cell background is a direct lift of the SVG from our site...
- haswell 3y ago
  As a neutral observer, it’s hard to make sense of what exactly you’re saying was copied. What is the opening table cell background? Is this something in the app code itself, or something that made it onto the public site? And this SVG was custom made by your company?
  - byteofbits 3y ago
    The creator chose to remove the image in question following my post. You can see the image behind the central video on the wayback machine archive here: https://web.archive.org/web/20240311143537/https://teable.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240311143537/https://teable.io... The asset was created in-house by our design team custom for our website (not outsourced or a template) and was copied identically. The asset itself is a small thing, but the denial of something which is materially provable seemed very odd to me, hence my reply!
    - haswell 3y ago

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago

> Also, what makes this different from With no prior knowledge of any of these and briefly glancing through each site, the main thing that sticks out to me is that Teable is free as in has no pricing page (for now at least)

foxbee 3y ago
The others are open source