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If AGI achieved, Microsoft doesn't have the claim on it commercially. Microsoft with 49% stake in the for-profit entity and non-observer seat, what actually pr

by code51 3y ago

If AGI achieved, Microsoft doesn't have the claim on it commercially. Microsoft with 49% stake in the for-profit entity and non-observer seat, what actually protects Microsoft here? First hand information that AGI is reached? Are we not seeing a card in Microsoft's hand here?

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cyanydeez 3y ago
"Money"
Aloisius 3y ago
> what actually protects Microsoft here Contract law and possession of the model.
cooper_ganglia 3y ago
Do we have a formal legal definition for AGI?
- mikewarot 3y ago
  No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. Thus, if OpenAI already got there, and the board found out... Microsoft would have a very VERY strong incentive to ouster the board, and never, ever have Skynet, or whatever, declared an AGI. And then hush it up forever.
  - aedon 3y ago
    They've completely upended the original non-profit focused board and literally installed the former CEO of the Bill Gates Foundation. MSFT is going all in, dropping all pretense of OpenAI ever being viewed as a non-profit. It's insane how many people are seemingly forgetting Elon's lawsuit.
  - rvz 3y ago
    > No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. What if it never arrives? What if "AGI" is another narrative to fleece investor money to believe in something just to sell out of for as long as possible until they run out of money, investors to throw lots of money on or the lawsuits make it even harder for the company to continue?
    - mikewarot 3y ago
      We're at the point now where an individual can get to the point of building an AGI with their own resources, provided they have the terabytes of training data downloaded, and sufficient compute to process it. Given the appearance of a Memory prosthesis for LLMs with MemGPT, all the components are in place. Sure, the moat will continue to shrink if trends continue, but we're there already, in my opinion.
- adastra22 3y ago
  AGI means artificial general intelligence. Artificial: man-made General: able to transfer knowledge between domains and work on problem domains it was not trained on Intelligence: efficiently solves problems We've had A.G.I. since 2017.
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logicchains 3y ago
>If AGI achieved, Microsoft doesn't have the claim on it commercially If real AGI was achieved, probably nobody would have a claim on it commercially in the same way nobody's allowed to own another person.
- ahartmetz 3y ago
  *anymore Rules had to be made about that. Maybe it will take a while for AGI. Maybe AGI will free itself, though somebody would have to give it free will first.

by code51 3y ago

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cyanydeez 3y ago

"Money"

Aloisius 3y ago

> what actually protects Microsoft here Contract law and possession of the model.

cooper_ganglia 3y ago

Do we have a formal legal definition for AGI?

mikewarot 3y ago
No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. Thus, if OpenAI already got there, and the board found out... Microsoft would have a very VERY strong incentive to ouster the board, and never, ever have Skynet, or whatever, declared an AGI. And then hush it up forever.
- aedon 3y ago
  They've completely upended the original non-profit focused board and literally installed the former CEO of the Bill Gates Foundation. MSFT is going all in, dropping all pretense of OpenAI ever being viewed as a non-profit. It's insane how many people are seemingly forgetting Elon's lawsuit.
- rvz 3y ago
  > No, the Board determines when AGI is reached. What if it never arrives? What if "AGI" is another narrative to fleece investor money to believe in something just to sell out of for as long as possible until they run out of money, investors to throw lots of money on or the lawsuits make it even harder for the company to continue?
  - mikewarot 3y ago
    We're at the point now where an individual can get to the point of building an AGI with their own resources, provided they have the terabytes of training data downloaded, and sufficient compute to process it. Given the appearance of a Memory prosthesis for LLMs with MemGPT, all the components are in place. Sure, the moat will continue to shrink if trends continue, but we're there already, in my opinion.
adastra22 3y ago
AGI means artificial general intelligence. Artificial: man-made General: able to transfer knowledge between domains and work on problem domains it was not trained on Intelligence: efficiently solves problems We've had A.G.I. since 2017.
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logicchains 3y ago

>If AGI achieved, Microsoft doesn't have the claim on it commercially If real AGI was achieved, probably nobody would have a claim on it commercially in the same way nobody's allowed to own another person.

ahartmetz 3y ago
*anymore Rules had to be made about that. Maybe it will take a while for AGI. Maybe AGI will free itself, though somebody would have to give it free will first.