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Without giving a position on the legitimacy of this question, I nevertheless point out to foreign observers that this, above all, shows to what extent France no
by tupolef 3y ago
Without giving a position on the legitimacy of this question, I nevertheless point out to foreign observers that this, above all, shows to what extent France now assumes its colony status.
We are in the greatest demographic, energy and financial crisis since the Second World War and on the verge of armed conflict with Russia.
Our legislators have repeatedly refused to have a say on these issues in recent months, but while we had no problem with the status of abortion in France, they took up the issue as soon as there was a problem about it in the USA.
As they say at the UN and the European Commission: "always put a Frenchman at the head of all international institutions, they are the only ones who will never defend the interests of their country".
- hef19898 3y agoFrance is a colony? Who is their colonial overlord? And is this overlord also controlling the EU? And is this overlord truels suvereign, or does he answer to higher powers as well? If so, who are those powers, them? Because if it is them, I have a problem, they keep loosing my socks during laundery and it drives me crazy.
- lm28469 3y agoCulturally we import more and more things from the US. It used to be music and movies, now it's identity politics and cultural issues
- hef19898 3y ago[flagged]
- lm28469 3y agoTime to leave the online world and open a few books my friend... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_imperialism
- hef19898 3y agoSo? Still not a colony, right? Imperialism =|= colonialism, get your definitions right before you call me "friend", so much politeness I expect, even on the internet.
- lm28469 3y agoIf you can call me stupid I think I can call you friend without triggering a politeness alert, pal http://sociologyindex.com/cultural_colonialism.htm#:~:text=Cultural%20colonialism%20is%20the%20desire,for%20their%20own%20economic%20reasons http://sociologyindex.com/cultural_colonialism.htm#:~:text=C....
- hef19898 3y agoI called the take stupid, not you. Small, but important difference.
- THX1137 3y agoIdentity politics being an "import from the United States" to Europe is a laugh. During WWII's genocide was committed on the basis of identity. More recently in the Former Yugoslavia a war was fought with significant focus on national or religious identity. That's not even to mention the rote national identity politics present in European nations for at least 200 years.
- lm28469 3y agoIt always existed, what didn't exist is using foreign events to attempt to explain local events. For example you can't analyse French racism issues using the American history of slavery, the end result might be somewhat similar but the historical path is widely different. You can't use the French abortion history to analyse the American one either
- hef19898 3y agoSure. But one can take the occasion, and the fact US pro-life activists are everywhere from Ireland to Africa, and leap-frog this whole thing and ammend the constitution. Like, you know, accepting social and political realities and doing the right thing for once.
- lm28469 3y agoIf you go that way you kind of have to admit laws have no power until they're made into the constitution, so everything you really care about and is threatened somewhere else in the world should be constitutionalised, that's not a small pandora's box. vasectomy ? lgbt rights ? same sex marriage ? unemployment benefits ? social security ? pensions ? where do you draw the line
- hef19898 3y agoFunny, a lot of the things you mentioned are either in the German Grindgesetz or enshrined in law. Partially as a reaction to movements trying to curb those laws. No pandoras box, just reality.
- tangue 3y agoSome people call it imperialism, but for me US is more like an hegemon, a center which can impose its cultural norms to its periphery. But some people in France like to think that’s France is a US colony. I’m fine with that, because if it’s the case, french people are treated way better than the inhabitants of former french colonies.
- 0xAFFFF 3y agoAbortion rights is absolutely not a cultural issue import from the US. While recent development about abortion rights in the US have sparked concern about those rights in France, they've been an ongoing fight for decades.
- tupolef 3y agoFrance tried to stay independent after the war. Hence the refusal to join NATO, the powerful cultural industry of the 60s, the nuclear industry after the 70s oil crisis, the attempts at a third way with the now BRICS countries. Since the 80s, it's over, France has been led financially by Germany, culturally by the USA, and its politicians are trained abroad or work abroad after having done their worst inside. Nuclear power is really the best example, France was the world leader, then the Germans pushed it to abandon everything including its future Phoenix program. France sold everything to the USA, and now the USA is launching a nuclear program in Eastern Europe, and they call it Phoenix...
- hef19898 3y agoIt always puzzles me how people can get the fact, some tiny ones, and still come to completly false conclusions. E.g. NATO membership means a country isn't souvereign (independent is notbthe correct term) anymore. Or ignoring that France was a foibding member of the EWG. Or believing Hermany controls the EU (a claim that dates back to the financial crisis of 2008 and was as wrong then as it is now), or that Germany (small correction, you actually mean the German Greens) forced France to halt nuclear power. Or ignoring that the US nuclear industry is doing not great, including after the purchase of French companies. I could go on, but you get the picture I hope.
- feedforward 3y agoPerfect encapsulation of this lack of sovereignty - not only is OP not sovereign, for all the reasons they mentioned, but OP is being imperially instructed that they are not even allowed to mention that they are not sovereign any more.
- silent_cal 3y agoFrance has such a rich history, it boggles my mind that they can't find more cultural inspiration there than from the USA.
- kys_now 3y ago[flagged]
- GiorgioG 3y agoOr maybe they're being proactive.
- vladms 3y agoDemographic, energy and financial crisis in France ? This sounds such a French perspective ("everything is so bad in our country") that ignores so many other places were the problems are real and widespread. We had a global pandemic that blocked the whole world for a couple of years and a war that required changes to the whole energy strategy. I think France is doing quite ok given that.
- buzzert 3y agoIn your opinion then, what is the biggest problem France faces today?
- Levitz 3y agoI get your point, but really, I wish we did this same thing here in Spain. Roe v Wade brought the issue up to many people, and I was appalled at how many of my colleagues and friends were dismayed at the idea of the constitution not backing up the right to abortion, some crazy people those in the US huh? ...Except we don't have such constitutional protection in Spain either. We just have a law. If it is the opinion of society that the constitution ought to give a right, It's a great thing for the country to take that into account and actually walk the walk.