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Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships. Maybe this is fine for a while, but people need people (not just text i

Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships. Maybe this is fine for a while, but people need people (not just text in a chatroom), and I hope he has an exit strategy from this lifestyle, for this reason.

troupo 3y ago
I wonder more how he keeps his clothes and underwear clean :)
- Slartie 3y ago
  Washes them by hand in the wash basins of the DB lounges, to which he gets free access with his ticket.
  - stephenr 3y ago
    Does that ticket also give him free access to a dryer? Or is he just going to hang his clothes up in the train for everyone to enjoy?
- cykros 3y ago
  Probably the same way most people living in city apartments do it. Laundromats.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    I'd be surprised if that was the way "most people living in city apartments" do it. Why wouldn't city apartments have washing machines? (In Germany and most of the rest of Europe we also don't particular need, or care for, driers either, that's what clotheslines are for). Laundromats I'd say are more for like, students, tourists, travellers, fresh immigrants, people with some temporary arrangements and no stable residence, etc.
  - dukeyukey 3y ago
    Damn, what kind of apartment doesn't come with laundry? Only time I didn't have an in-unit washer was student accomodation. If I viewed a place without one now I'd laugh the estate agent out country.
- wongarsu 3y ago
  Every sizable city has a couple of laundromats with washers and dryers. He probably has a favorite one he just travels to once a week. In a pinch he could hand-wash them, but I imagine drying might be an issue with that.
- 0x000xca0xfe 3y ago
  He could also rent a couple of stash places with clothes and stuff like a movie undercover agent :)
  - DrNosferatu 3y ago
    That would be his family’s places?
oven9342 3y ago
He can visit relatives and friends whenever he feels like, no matter how far away they might be. Breakfast in Berlin, Dinner in München. His exit strategy is probably the same as mine, his bedroom at mom and pop’s hotel
- kristov 3y ago
  It's not just about seeing people. It's about having deep connections and shared experiences. Eg: one of his friends has a life crisis and just needs to talk to someone. Are they going to hop on a train and track this guy down, or will they go see one of their other friends? So he will miss out being the person someone turns to, and these are the defining moments for long lasting friendships. Again, probably fine for a while, but if it goes on too long those existing friendships could fade away and he could miss out.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Is this train thing really different from the average "digital nomad"? They too are away from their old standing friends, and since they are usually not intending to stay forever in the country they stay in, they're probably not investing in any deep connections there either. In fact, given the huge loneliness/isolation trends, he is probably not that different to the average stationary person in this regard either.
    - brandall10 3y ago
      DN here. It’s definitely different insofar that nomads frequently live in longer term shared spaces (ie weeks to months) and it’s pretty easy to meet people in these situations.
  - 0x000xca0xfe 3y ago
    Literally the other way around? Dude could hop on the train himself for free literally the same hour and see his friends no matter where they live in a couple hours? Seriously, I have lived in remote regions and not everybody living there owns a car. Many people need hours to get to their friends as well.
corobo 3y ago
There's definitely a Fight Club single-serving friend reference to be had here. Both in terms of cheap throwaway reference and maybe that's actually how he does it? When I was commuting a lot I'd always see the same faces, eventually got to nattering with some of them. Nothing super deep or anything but that's probably more on my social ability than possibility :)
jesterson 3y ago
> people need people While this lifestyle is not for me, i tend to concur on the statement. I personally pick my houses as distant from people as possible. People don’t need people. Sure it gets lonely sometimes but let me ask you if you enjoying the company you have all the time. People don’t need people. It’s rather personality related
- coldtea 3y ago
  They kind of do according to medical/mental health statistics though, even accounting for the personality type.
- pimlottc 3y ago
  I think you meant “I tend to differ”, “concur” means you agree.
  - jesterson 3y ago
    You are right - thank you fir correcting me
- dorkwood 3y ago
  I'm going to assume when you say "people don't need people" that you're talking about social contact. My question is: why do you post on HN for others to read? Why not just write your thoughts in a journal and keep it to yourself?
- wolverine876 3y ago
  YMMV, but all humans are social creatures, going back to our primate ancestors. Isolation harms health, mentally, emotionally, and physically; at its extreme, such as solitary confinement, it's considered torture. Note that almost all humans socialize and live among other humans (compared to animals like bears which live alone).
- dukeyukey 3y ago
  > People don’t need people. It’s rather personality related You are on a social networking site right now. People always need people, even if they don't think they do.
JonChesterfield 3y ago
Even in Germany, a software dev with a burn rate of 10k a year must be seriously in profit each month. Buy index funds on payday and he has a wide variety of exiting strategies available.
- true_religion 3y ago
  He is self employed and 17 years old. I don’t think he making quite as much as some might imagine.
- Sebb767 3y ago
  > Even in Germany, a software dev with a burn rate of 10k a year must be seriously in profit each month. That comes down to ~840€ per month. Unless you live deep in the countryside, life is not going to be much cheaper as a non-nomad.
coldtea 3y ago
>Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships Probably as well as the average not-train dwelling person: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connection-mental-health-dementia-surgeon-general https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connect...
interludead 3y ago
There are people who enjoy getting to know a full of new peopel everyday and do not need that kind of connection
pjc50 3y ago
Travelling is an absolutely excellent way to meet people if you're at all open to it. "Deeper relationships" .. don't always last at that age. Often they get uprooted anyway at the transitions in and out of university. Which is probably the likely exit for this guy.

troupo 3y ago

I wonder more how he keeps his clothes and underwear clean :)

Slartie 3y ago
Washes them by hand in the wash basins of the DB lounges, to which he gets free access with his ticket.
- stephenr 3y ago
  Does that ticket also give him free access to a dryer? Or is he just going to hang his clothes up in the train for everyone to enjoy?
cykros 3y ago
Probably the same way most people living in city apartments do it. Laundromats.
- coldtea 3y ago
  I'd be surprised if that was the way "most people living in city apartments" do it. Why wouldn't city apartments have washing machines? (In Germany and most of the rest of Europe we also don't particular need, or care for, driers either, that's what clotheslines are for). Laundromats I'd say are more for like, students, tourists, travellers, fresh immigrants, people with some temporary arrangements and no stable residence, etc.
- dukeyukey 3y ago
  Damn, what kind of apartment doesn't come with laundry? Only time I didn't have an in-unit washer was student accomodation. If I viewed a place without one now I'd laugh the estate agent out country.
wongarsu 3y ago
Every sizable city has a couple of laundromats with washers and dryers. He probably has a favorite one he just travels to once a week. In a pinch he could hand-wash them, but I imagine drying might be an issue with that.
0x000xca0xfe 3y ago
He could also rent a couple of stash places with clothes and stuff like a movie undercover agent :)
- DrNosferatu 3y ago
  That would be his family’s places?

oven9342 3y ago

He can visit relatives and friends whenever he feels like, no matter how far away they might be. Breakfast in Berlin, Dinner in München. His exit strategy is probably the same as mine, his bedroom at mom and pop’s hotel

kristov 3y ago
It's not just about seeing people. It's about having deep connections and shared experiences. Eg: one of his friends has a life crisis and just needs to talk to someone. Are they going to hop on a train and track this guy down, or will they go see one of their other friends? So he will miss out being the person someone turns to, and these are the defining moments for long lasting friendships. Again, probably fine for a while, but if it goes on too long those existing friendships could fade away and he could miss out.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Is this train thing really different from the average "digital nomad"? They too are away from their old standing friends, and since they are usually not intending to stay forever in the country they stay in, they're probably not investing in any deep connections there either. In fact, given the huge loneliness/isolation trends, he is probably not that different to the average stationary person in this regard either.
  - brandall10 3y ago
    DN here. It’s definitely different insofar that nomads frequently live in longer term shared spaces (ie weeks to months) and it’s pretty easy to meet people in these situations.
- 0x000xca0xfe 3y ago
  Literally the other way around? Dude could hop on the train himself for free literally the same hour and see his friends no matter where they live in a couple hours? Seriously, I have lived in remote regions and not everybody living there owns a car. Many people need hours to get to their friends as well.

corobo 3y ago

There's definitely a Fight Club single-serving friend reference to be had here. Both in terms of cheap throwaway reference and maybe that's actually how he does it? When I was commuting a lot I'd always see the same faces, eventually got to nattering with some of them. Nothing super deep or anything but that's probably more on my social ability than possibility :)

jesterson 3y ago

> people need people While this lifestyle is not for me, i tend to concur on the statement. I personally pick my houses as distant from people as possible. People don’t need people. Sure it gets lonely sometimes but let me ask you if you enjoying the company you have all the time. People don’t need people. It’s rather personality related

coldtea 3y ago
They kind of do according to medical/mental health statistics though, even accounting for the personality type.
pimlottc 3y ago
I think you meant “I tend to differ”, “concur” means you agree.
- jesterson 3y ago
  You are right - thank you fir correcting me
dorkwood 3y ago
I'm going to assume when you say "people don't need people" that you're talking about social contact. My question is: why do you post on HN for others to read? Why not just write your thoughts in a journal and keep it to yourself?
wolverine876 3y ago
YMMV, but all humans are social creatures, going back to our primate ancestors. Isolation harms health, mentally, emotionally, and physically; at its extreme, such as solitary confinement, it's considered torture. Note that almost all humans socialize and live among other humans (compared to animals like bears which live alone).
dukeyukey 3y ago
> People don’t need people. It’s rather personality related You are on a social networking site right now. People always need people, even if they don't think they do.

JonChesterfield 3y ago

Even in Germany, a software dev with a burn rate of 10k a year must be seriously in profit each month. Buy index funds on payday and he has a wide variety of exiting strategies available.

true_religion 3y ago
He is self employed and 17 years old. I don’t think he making quite as much as some might imagine.
Sebb767 3y ago
> Even in Germany, a software dev with a burn rate of 10k a year must be seriously in profit each month. That comes down to ~840€ per month. Unless you live deep in the countryside, life is not going to be much cheaper as a non-nomad.

coldtea 3y ago

>Brave move, but I wonder how he keeps or makes new friendships and deeper relationships Probably as well as the average not-train dwelling person: https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connection-mental-health-dementia-surgeon-general https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173418268/loneliness-connect...

interludead 3y ago

There are people who enjoy getting to know a full of new peopel everyday and do not need that kind of connection

pjc50 3y ago

Travelling is an absolutely excellent way to meet people if you're at all open to it. "Deeper relationships" .. don't always last at that age. Often they get uprooted anyway at the transitions in and out of university. Which is probably the likely exit for this guy.