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The trend of touch screens replacing physical controls in domains where muscle memory is an advantage is an utter atrocity. No amount of interface versatility/

by cfr2023 3y ago

The trend of touch screens replacing physical controls in domains where muscle memory is an advantage is an utter atrocity. No amount of interface versatility/flexibility can come close to touching the utility of not having to take your eyes off your subject. NONE.

thepasswordis 3y ago
Not to mention that on cars like Tesla, UI updates will change the location of these buttons. This drives me INSANE. The other one: some of the Tesla UIs feel like they were made with "minimalism" in mind. For instance the rear defroster vs the windshield defroster. I still, 3 years into my model Y, have no idea which is which, and every time I need to defrost the front windshield it's like a fight against the HVAC system and buttons and touchscreens to make it do anything. I love my tesla, probably to the point of being annoying, but I **HATE** the ridiculous "minimalist" UI stuff, and I absolutely hate it when they push a UI update which moves things around.
- teruakohatu 3y ago
  Why do you love a car with anti-features that annoy you so much? I am genuinely curious, as I have only driven a Tesla once or twice.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  How is it possible to love a car that does things you hate when there are other cars at the same price that does everything the object of your love does, and doesn't do the things you hate? It sounds like an irrational love for the car.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    It is legally required for all complaints about Tesla to start with "I love my car, but..." (This is so near-universal that I vaguely suspect that there's a non-disparagement agreement you have to sign when you buy one).
  - speedgoose 3y ago
    Which other car in the similar price range can fart on demand from the mobile app?
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    What's your list of other cars that have the same charging network access and self-driving capabilities?
    - lelanthran 3y ago
      > What's your list of other cars that have the same charging network access and self-driving capabilities? Well, the list of other cars that will kill you if you take your hands of the wheels is ... just about anything, right? And then you're dead, so have no use for a charging network anyway, too. So, basically, for just that one feature, you can use just about any other car. The list is, essentially, everything else!
      - bboygravity 3y ago
        Somebody read too much CNBC and/or NYT.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        What if I don't take my hands off.
      - Biganon 3y ago
        And yet we drove those cars for 100 years, with our hands on the effin wheel.
    - arlcode 3y ago
      In part Europe thew answer for the first is "all of them". (And yes that works. I recently finished a 2k+ road trip in Germany and had no issues at all. Plug and charge worked flawlessly on every DC fast charger I visited. AC charging worked by swiping my RFID card).
  - thepasswordis 3y ago
    >other cars at the same price that does everything the object of your love does Because there aren't? My tesla has FSD which I use for the majority of my driving, it looks cool, it's really fast, I really like the in dash display (just don't like UI updates, and some very specific parts of the HVAC controls). This is such a funny question to me. Do you love your city? Is there *nothing* you dislike about it?
lizard 3y ago
I don't have a problem so much with the touch screen itself. It's a waste for a lot a things and I frequently just turn my screen off, but it is nice to be able to bring up a map with directions and arrival estimates. But I am constantly disappointed by just how awful and useless the software is. Need some directions? Sorry, I can auto-play this music station you haven't used in a week, but if you want those directions you looked up on your way out the best I can do is (maybe) have the address in your recent search history. Want to resume the music you were streaming from your phone through your media center? Yeah, just give me a few minutes to load up this other UI and...Are you sure you have a music app on your phone? Maybe you just need to add it to the car app? Here, let me bring that up on your phone screen. Hold up. There's some audio coming through the bluetooth, I'll just play that. Want to see why the "Check Engine" light came on? Oh, well for that you need to buy a $50 dongle with Bluetooth and install an app on your phone.
globular-toast 3y ago
I hate them in all applications that don't benefit from touch and even in many that do. For example, electric cookers. Despite being easier to clean I still find them absolutely infuriating to interact with, plus cats can activate them. Most of the time, though, they are implemented simply because it's cheaper. There's no benefit to speak of. In fact, I think the only device for which a touch interface works is a smartphone. I can't think of any others.

thepasswordis 3y ago

Not to mention that on cars like Tesla, UI updates will change the location of these buttons. This drives me INSANE. The other one: some of the Tesla UIs feel like they were made with "minimalism" in mind. For instance the rear defroster vs the windshield defroster. I still, 3 years into my model Y, have no idea which is which, and every time I need to defrost the front windshield it's like a fight against the HVAC system and buttons and touchscreens to make it do anything. I love my tesla, probably to the point of being annoying, but I **HATE** the ridiculous "minimalist" UI stuff, and I absolutely hate it when they push a UI update which moves things around.

teruakohatu 3y ago
Why do you love a car with anti-features that annoy you so much? I am genuinely curious, as I have only driven a Tesla once or twice.
lelanthran 3y ago
How is it possible to love a car that does things you hate when there are other cars at the same price that does everything the object of your love does, and doesn't do the things you hate? It sounds like an irrational love for the car.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  It is legally required for all complaints about Tesla to start with "I love my car, but..." (This is so near-universal that I vaguely suspect that there's a non-disparagement agreement you have to sign when you buy one).
- speedgoose 3y ago
  Which other car in the similar price range can fart on demand from the mobile app?
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  What's your list of other cars that have the same charging network access and self-driving capabilities?
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > What's your list of other cars that have the same charging network access and self-driving capabilities? Well, the list of other cars that will kill you if you take your hands of the wheels is ... just about anything, right? And then you're dead, so have no use for a charging network anyway, too. So, basically, for just that one feature, you can use just about any other car. The list is, essentially, everything else!
    - bboygravity 3y ago
      Somebody read too much CNBC and/or NYT.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      What if I don't take my hands off.
    - Biganon 3y ago
      And yet we drove those cars for 100 years, with our hands on the effin wheel.
  - arlcode 3y ago
    In part Europe thew answer for the first is "all of them". (And yes that works. I recently finished a 2k+ road trip in Germany and had no issues at all. Plug and charge worked flawlessly on every DC fast charger I visited. AC charging worked by swiping my RFID card).
- thepasswordis 3y ago
  >other cars at the same price that does everything the object of your love does Because there aren't? My tesla has FSD which I use for the majority of my driving, it looks cool, it's really fast, I really like the in dash display (just don't like UI updates, and some very specific parts of the HVAC controls). This is such a funny question to me. Do you love your city? Is there *nothing* you dislike about it?

lizard 3y ago

I don't have a problem so much with the touch screen itself. It's a waste for a lot a things and I frequently just turn my screen off, but it is nice to be able to bring up a map with directions and arrival estimates. But I am constantly disappointed by just how awful and useless the software is. Need some directions? Sorry, I can auto-play this music station you haven't used in a week, but if you want those directions you looked up on your way out the best I can do is (maybe) have the address in your recent search history. Want to resume the music you were streaming from your phone through your media center? Yeah, just give me a few minutes to load up this other UI and...Are you sure you have a music app on your phone? Maybe you just need to add it to the car app? Here, let me bring that up on your phone screen. Hold up. There's some audio coming through the bluetooth, I'll just play that. Want to see why the "Check Engine" light came on? Oh, well for that you need to buy a $50 dongle with Bluetooth and install an app on your phone.

globular-toast 3y ago

I hate them in all applications that don't benefit from touch and even in many that do. For example, electric cookers. Despite being easier to clean I still find them absolutely infuriating to interact with, plus cats can activate them. Most of the time, though, they are implemented simply because it's cheaper. There's no benefit to speak of. In fact, I think the only device for which a touch interface works is a smartphone. I can't think of any others.