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Dr Becky explaining the MOND theory and why it's invalid --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNSvrYygRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNSvrYygRc

lolinder 3y ago
For those of us who don't already know her, can you explain who Dr Becky is and why we should trust her perspective? I can't watch it just yet, but judging from the thumbnail this feels like just another educational YouTube video, and while I watch more than my fair share of that genre I don't tend to implicitly trust it on complicated scientific topics.
- boesboes 3y ago
  She has a PhD in astrophysics and is a specialist on blackholes. In her video's such as this one she goes into what the paper claims and then looks at the evidence for and against, based on other research and theory. She knows her stuff and approaches things rationally.
- Jleagle 3y ago
  Wikipedia: `Rebecca Smethurst, also known as Dr. Becky, is a British astrophysicist, author, and YouTuber who is a junior research fellow at the University of Oxford. She was the recipient of the 2020 Caroline Herschel Prize Lectureship, awarded by the Royal Astronomical Society, as well as the 2020 Mary Somerville Medal and Prize, awarded by the Institute of Physics. In 2022, she won the Royal Astronomical Society's Winton Award "for research by a post-doctoral fellow in Astronomy whose career has shown the most promising development".`
- sapiogram 3y ago
  She has a PhD in astrophysics, with her academic work centered around the co-evolution of supermassive black holes and their host galaxies. As far as I can tell, she's still an active researcher, even though she clearly spends a lot of her time on her Youtube channel.
  - weego 3y ago
    AFAIK spreading interest in the field through social media was/is part of her post doc job goals
- lupire 3y ago
  The YouTube channel doesn't have hard verification, but claims that "Dr Becky Smethurst, an astrophysicist at the University of Oxford." and Wikipedia editors seem to agree, with further references https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Smethurst https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Smethurst The video cites two papers, one for MOND and one against, so you can look up the papers. It's better than the OP article, which ignores the counterarguments against MOND.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  From her bio, she is a legit astrophysicist, who publishes in peer-reviewed journals. But more important than that, if you want more, you can read the paper her entire video is based on [1] Also be aware that Sabine Hossenfelder, also a popular science YouTuber and published physicist released a video supportive of that paper, even though she was somewhat in favor of MOND before [2]. She even co-authored a paper about it [3] which she presented in a video [4] [1] https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stad3393 https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stad3393 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lu9AxRtqA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lu9AxRtqA [3] https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.10202 https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.10202 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MVl1cSmYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MVl1cSmYE
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
    Let’s turn science into commentator sports! That way an already needlessly polarized field full of petty researchers who promote poorly founded theories to the public in order to gain notoriety can continue to completely screw up physics in the public eye, and frankly in academia, too. Looking at you string theory.
    - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
      It's been that way for a long time. Einstein published a paper in support of Bose's statistics for integer-spin particles, explaining that no, that's not an off-by-one error, and now they're called Bose-Einstein statistics.
      - tsunamifury 3y ago
        Yea but YouTube personalities were never appealed to to find validation amount public opinion.
  - adrian_b 3y ago
    Such papers only prove that the simplest formula proposed for MOND may be too simple. While it matches well many experimental facts, there also other experimental facts that appear to contradict it. There is an essential difference between a MOND-like theory and a dark matter based theory. For a MOND-like theory one has to choose some mathematical relationship that determines the gravitational forces, given the observed distribution of matter in the Universe. Then one must compute the expected movements and compare them with the observed movements, to verify or falsify the postulated mathematical model. On the other hand, any theory based on dark matter does not have any predictive power or any usefulness. Because the observed movements of the bodies in the Universe cannot be explained by the conventional mathematical model, one adds arbitrarily dark matter wherever it is necessary to remove the discrepancies in the observed movements. When one is free to add dark matter, then all mathematical models for gravitation become equivalent and none can be used to predict what we observe. Unless an alternative method for observing dark matter would be discovered, using it is just an euphemism for avoiding to recognize that the current model of gravitation is not accurate enough.
- greggsy 3y ago
  She includes references in the description, in case you need to personally double check the content.
the__alchemist 3y ago
Question, regarding 4:00 in that video. Dr. Becky states that GR, our best theory of gravity, at large scale, predicts dark matter. Is this correct? My understanding is that the models that predict dark matter use Newtonian physics. And more, the problem with GR is that its calculations are complicated, in a partial-differential-equations sense.
- antonioevans 3y ago
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- MattPalmer1086 3y ago
  No GR does not predict dark matter. But when we look at galaxies and so on, things don't seem to add up if you only look at the visible matter. So, there could be a lot of dark matter we can't see. Or GR might not be correct and MOND (or a relativistic formulation like AQUAL) might be the right answer. It's true I guess that if GR is correct, then we need some kind of dark matter to explain observations. But it might not be correct.
  - karmakaze 3y ago
    It's simpler to say Newtonian gravity and visible matter alone is sufficient to explain the need for dark matter. Adding GR to the picture doesn't take away the need for dark matter to account for observations.
    - MattPalmer1086 3y ago
      True, even without GR the same issue would exist with Newtonian gravity.
- adrian_b 3y ago
  She does not express this fact in the right way. Whenever the facts predicted by a theory do not match the experimental facts, one could say that the theory has predicted the existence of an unknown factor that has affected the experiments. Nevertheless, until there is an alternative way to determine the existence of that unknown factor, the right way is to simply say that there is a mismatch between predictions and observations and the reason for this mismatch must be determined in the future. For now, the current theory is not accurate enough. For instance, when some planetary movements did not coincide with the predictions, it was supposed that perhaps there exists an extra planet which explains the discrepancies between predictions and observations. This supposition was confirmed only when Neptune was also observed with a telescope. If Neptune had never been observed, perhaps it would have been discovered that the mathematical model of gravitation must be improved. For now, there are discrepancies between observations and the predictions of the current mathematical model of gravitation. Like in the cases of Neptune and Pluto, there is a supposition that perhaps there exists some kind of dark matter that would be the cause of the discrepancies. Until the moment when an alternative way to determine the existence of dark matter will be discovered, like the optical observations of Neptune and Pluto, the existence of dark matter remains just a hypothesis that cannot be used for any practical purpose, because it cannot predict anything. Dark matter can be added arbitrarily in any place and this can make any theory of gravity match the observations. Therefore now we have galaxies that are supposed to be rich in dark matter and galaxies that are supposed to be poor in dark matter, in order to fit the observations, but without any a priori rule that could be used to predict this.
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lolinder 3y ago

For those of us who don't already know her, can you explain who Dr Becky is and why we should trust her perspective? I can't watch it just yet, but judging from the thumbnail this feels like just another educational YouTube video, and while I watch more than my fair share of that genre I don't tend to implicitly trust it on complicated scientific topics.

boesboes 3y ago
She has a PhD in astrophysics and is a specialist on blackholes. In her video's such as this one she goes into what the paper claims and then looks at the evidence for and against, based on other research and theory. She knows her stuff and approaches things rationally.
Jleagle 3y ago
Wikipedia: `Rebecca Smethurst, also known as Dr. Becky, is a British astrophysicist, author, and YouTuber who is a junior research fellow at the University of Oxford. She was the recipient of the 2020 Caroline Herschel Prize Lectureship, awarded by the Royal Astronomical Society, as well as the 2020 Mary Somerville Medal and Prize, awarded by the Institute of Physics. In 2022, she won the Royal Astronomical Society's Winton Award "for research by a post-doctoral fellow in Astronomy whose career has shown the most promising development".`
sapiogram 3y ago
She has a PhD in astrophysics, with her academic work centered around the co-evolution of supermassive black holes and their host galaxies. As far as I can tell, she's still an active researcher, even though she clearly spends a lot of her time on her Youtube channel.
- weego 3y ago
  AFAIK spreading interest in the field through social media was/is part of her post doc job goals
lupire 3y ago
The YouTube channel doesn't have hard verification, but claims that "Dr Becky Smethurst, an astrophysicist at the University of Oxford." and Wikipedia editors seem to agree, with further references https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Smethurst https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becky_Smethurst The video cites two papers, one for MOND and one against, so you can look up the papers. It's better than the OP article, which ignores the counterarguments against MOND.
GuB-42 3y ago
From her bio, she is a legit astrophysicist, who publishes in peer-reviewed journals. But more important than that, if you want more, you can read the paper her entire video is based on [1] Also be aware that Sabine Hossenfelder, also a popular science YouTuber and published physicist released a video supportive of that paper, even though she was somewhat in favor of MOND before [2]. She even co-authored a paper about it [3] which she presented in a video [4] [1] https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stad3393 https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stad3393 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lu9AxRtqA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4lu9AxRtqA [3] https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.10202 https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.10202 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MVl1cSmYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7MVl1cSmYE
- tsunamifury 3y ago
  Let’s turn science into commentator sports! That way an already needlessly polarized field full of petty researchers who promote poorly founded theories to the public in order to gain notoriety can continue to completely screw up physics in the public eye, and frankly in academia, too. Looking at you string theory.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    It's been that way for a long time. Einstein published a paper in support of Bose's statistics for integer-spin particles, explaining that no, that's not an off-by-one error, and now they're called Bose-Einstein statistics.
    - tsunamifury 3y ago
      Yea but YouTube personalities were never appealed to to find validation amount public opinion.
- adrian_b 3y ago
  Such papers only prove that the simplest formula proposed for MOND may be too simple. While it matches well many experimental facts, there also other experimental facts that appear to contradict it. There is an essential difference between a MOND-like theory and a dark matter based theory. For a MOND-like theory one has to choose some mathematical relationship that determines the gravitational forces, given the observed distribution of matter in the Universe. Then one must compute the expected movements and compare them with the observed movements, to verify or falsify the postulated mathematical model. On the other hand, any theory based on dark matter does not have any predictive power or any usefulness. Because the observed movements of the bodies in the Universe cannot be explained by the conventional mathematical model, one adds arbitrarily dark matter wherever it is necessary to remove the discrepancies in the observed movements. When one is free to add dark matter, then all mathematical models for gravitation become equivalent and none can be used to predict what we observe. Unless an alternative method for observing dark matter would be discovered, using it is just an euphemism for avoiding to recognize that the current model of gravitation is not accurate enough.
greggsy 3y ago
She includes references in the description, in case you need to personally double check the content.

the__alchemist 3y ago

Question, regarding 4:00 in that video. Dr. Becky states that GR, our best theory of gravity, at large scale, predicts dark matter. Is this correct? My understanding is that the models that predict dark matter use Newtonian physics. And more, the problem with GR is that its calculations are complicated, in a partial-differential-equations sense.

antonioevans 3y ago
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MattPalmer1086 3y ago
No GR does not predict dark matter. But when we look at galaxies and so on, things don't seem to add up if you only look at the visible matter. So, there could be a lot of dark matter we can't see. Or GR might not be correct and MOND (or a relativistic formulation like AQUAL) might be the right answer. It's true I guess that if GR is correct, then we need some kind of dark matter to explain observations. But it might not be correct.
- karmakaze 3y ago
  It's simpler to say Newtonian gravity and visible matter alone is sufficient to explain the need for dark matter. Adding GR to the picture doesn't take away the need for dark matter to account for observations.
  - MattPalmer1086 3y ago
    True, even without GR the same issue would exist with Newtonian gravity.
adrian_b 3y ago
She does not express this fact in the right way. Whenever the facts predicted by a theory do not match the experimental facts, one could say that the theory has predicted the existence of an unknown factor that has affected the experiments. Nevertheless, until there is an alternative way to determine the existence of that unknown factor, the right way is to simply say that there is a mismatch between predictions and observations and the reason for this mismatch must be determined in the future. For now, the current theory is not accurate enough. For instance, when some planetary movements did not coincide with the predictions, it was supposed that perhaps there exists an extra planet which explains the discrepancies between predictions and observations. This supposition was confirmed only when Neptune was also observed with a telescope. If Neptune had never been observed, perhaps it would have been discovered that the mathematical model of gravitation must be improved. For now, there are discrepancies between observations and the predictions of the current mathematical model of gravitation. Like in the cases of Neptune and Pluto, there is a supposition that perhaps there exists some kind of dark matter that would be the cause of the discrepancies. Until the moment when an alternative way to determine the existence of dark matter will be discovered, like the optical observations of Neptune and Pluto, the existence of dark matter remains just a hypothesis that cannot be used for any practical purpose, because it cannot predict anything. Dark matter can be added arbitrarily in any place and this can make any theory of gravity match the observations. Therefore now we have galaxies that are supposed to be rich in dark matter and galaxies that are supposed to be poor in dark matter, in order to fit the observations, but without any a priori rule that could be used to predict this.

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