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Man the shit they come up with. A plant based diet helps and in many cases reverses diabetes, but if it's not laden with chemicals or some freak surgery people

Man the shit they come up with. A plant based diet helps and in many cases reverses diabetes, but if it's not laden with chemicals or some freak surgery people don't take it seriously. This is some sad world we live in.

officialchicken 14y ago
A diet can not help the people who need this.
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- mike_organon 14y ago
  It's a disorder of glucose regulation, so minimizing carbs and maximizing fat (because protein also leads to glucose), can help a lot. Eat more animals and vegetables, less grains.
  - officialchicken 14y ago
    Glucose regulation is done by bonding oxygen to glucose with insulin. When the pancreas does not manufacture insulin, no oxygen gets to the brain. Eating anything at all, no matter it's origin, will cause you to require insulin. Period. Eat anything YOU want, but people who need this CAN NOT be helped by modifying their diet.
    - Mz 14y ago
      Thank you very much for your first sentence. Are there any links you would reommend to better understand the process? I did a paper on "functional hypoglycemia" many years ago, so I am not starting at square one. However, I find good info (like your first sentence) tends to be in short supply.
      - officialchicken 14y ago
        I'm afraid not (and to clarify the first sentence, the 3 are "bonded" to a red blood cell). Sometimes an article in a journal about beta cells or diabetic metabolism will have a quick overview, but it's usually fairly technical.
        Mz 14y ago
        Thank you. I will keep your remarks in mind. Though my first thought is to wonder how that relates to the inflammation component, which is a known factor in both my condition and diabetes generally. I need to think on it.
    - mike_organon 14y ago
      I need this. Maybe I wasn't precise about "glucose regulation", but obviously it doesn't happen if you don't have insulin. I would agree that eating can't cure it, but it can help. Eating the standard USDA/ADA diet is loaded with carbs. Reducing carbs, and increasing (healthy, grass fed) fat and protein makes the glucose easier to manage. My average BG reduced by 30%, with fewer lows, and it's easier to do.
    - awolf 14y ago
      A nitpick, but it is an important distinction: people who need this can not be CURED by modifying their diet. They can certainly be helped though. Changing my sugar intake pattern was the single best change I've ever made for my long term health as a type 1 diabetic.
awolf 14y ago
First: this is a treatment for type 1 diabetes. There is no reversing type 1 diabetes. Second: a _low carb_ diet helps type 1 and 2 diabetes and in many cases reverses type 2 diabetes. It has nothing to do with being "plant based". The greatest improvement in my control of my type 1 diabetes came when I eliminated grains, a type of plant, from my diet. So, I directly disagree: A meat based, grain free, low carb diet is the single best prescription for anyone with any form of diabetes.
- mike_organon 14y ago
  I agree. I went Paleo 2 years ago and it made blood sugar much easier to manage.
  - awolf 14y ago
    Yup. Paleo has been transformative for me. The reason this diet is so great for diabetics is two-fold: 1) Meat gives my body the correct satiety signals, and so staying away from all of the carby treats that I use to find so addictive is no problem. It's easier for me to eat the right foods AND eat the right amounts of those foods. 2) Meat is not made of sugar like high carbohydrate foods are. The protein of meat needs to undergo a slow metabolic process (gluconeogenisis) in order for my body to turn it into sugar. What this means is that my food is "slow release" energy (sugar) as opposed to an instant sharp spike in sugar. Predictability is key when you need to manually inject the correct amount of sugar consuming hormone after every meal. This diet is also great for EVERYONE... But that's a different discussion.
    - herbivore 14y ago
      I'm glad it works out for you, but that diet is not great for everyone. In fact, much like the standard american diet - it's BAD for everyone, especially if the meat you consume is not grass fed. You're basically consuming the toxic soup of GMO corn, soy, and other grains fed to animals that were never meant to eat that. Plus you're consuming animal protein, which is very bad for humans. Unless you're thinking mainstream, those people don't even take issue with aspartame in their regular diet coke intake.
AlisdairO 14y ago
My wife is a type 1 diabetic. Type 1 diabetes is a disorder not caused by diet or by any particular moral failing you might imagine, and people with it are the primary target of a device like this. Your ignorance is insulting to millions of people who suffer due to diabetes. Please educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense.
- Mz 14y ago
  Hey, do you happen to have any links you would recommend explaining the difference? I have been keeping my mouth shut out of respect for the fact that a closed mouth gathers no feet. I am at high risk for CFRD -- cystic fibrosis related diabetes -- which is neither type 1 nor type 2, or so I understand. I have reversed a lot of my symptoms, something doctors say cannot be done. Trying to better understand the topic. Thanks.
  - AlisdairO 14y ago
    Sure - this is a pretty good explanation: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7504.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7504.php . tl;dr: Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder in which your body kills the insulin-producing cells in the pancreas, leaving you with no ability to produce insulin. Type 2 sufferers, on the other hand, can usually produce a normal amount of insulin, but their cells don't respond to it sufficiently.
    - Mz 14y ago
      Thank you. Working on reading it now. (Though I think "auto immune disorder" is utter bullshit and generally means the same thing as the phrase "dumb luck" -- basically, that they don't really have a logical explanation.)
      - herbivore 14y ago
        Generally auto immune disorder means your body is so full of toxins it can't work properly. That's why your first order of business is to cleanse it and stay away from everything your doctor says is fine: genetically modified foods, food dyes, pesticides, vaccines, fluoride, benzine and paragons in everyday products (think shampoo), artificial sweeteners, processed foods, animal protein and load up on vegetables, fruits, legumes, quinoa, super foods and antioxidants, etc. The information is out there, people just would rather listen to their doctor who will be out of a job if you just took better care of your body. There's no Spinach Foundation or Kale lobbyists paying doctor each time you walk in the door.

officialchicken 14y ago

A diet can not help the people who need this.

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mike_organon 14y ago
It's a disorder of glucose regulation, so minimizing carbs and maximizing fat (because protein also leads to glucose), can help a lot. Eat more animals and vegetables, less grains.
- officialchicken 14y ago
  Glucose regulation is done by bonding oxygen to glucose with insulin. When the pancreas does not manufacture insulin, no oxygen gets to the brain. Eating anything at all, no matter it's origin, will cause you to require insulin. Period. Eat anything YOU want, but people who need this CAN NOT be helped by modifying their diet.
  - Mz 14y ago
    Thank you very much for your first sentence. Are there any links you would reommend to better understand the process? I did a paper on "functional hypoglycemia" many years ago, so I am not starting at square one. However, I find good info (like your first sentence) tends to be in short supply.
    - officialchicken 14y ago
      I'm afraid not (and to clarify the first sentence, the 3 are "bonded" to a red blood cell). Sometimes an article in a journal about beta cells or diabetic metabolism will have a quick overview, but it's usually fairly technical.
      - Mz 14y ago
        Thank you. I will keep your remarks in mind. Though my first thought is to wonder how that relates to the inflammation component, which is a known factor in both my condition and diabetes generally. I need to think on it.
  - mike_organon 14y ago
    I need this. Maybe I wasn't precise about "glucose regulation", but obviously it doesn't happen if you don't have insulin. I would agree that eating can't cure it, but it can help. Eating the standard USDA/ADA diet is loaded with carbs. Reducing carbs, and increasing (healthy, grass fed) fat and protein makes the glucose easier to manage. My average BG reduced by 30%, with fewer lows, and it's easier to do.
  - awolf 14y ago
    A nitpick, but it is an important distinction: people who need this can not be CURED by modifying their diet. They can certainly be helped though. Changing my sugar intake pattern was the single best change I've ever made for my long term health as a type 1 diabetic.

awolf 14y ago

First: this is a treatment for type 1 diabetes. There is no reversing type 1 diabetes. Second: a _low carb_ diet helps type 1 and 2 diabetes and in many cases reverses type 2 diabetes. It has nothing to do with being "plant based". The greatest improvement in my control of my type 1 diabetes came when I eliminated grains, a type of plant, from my diet. So, I directly disagree: A meat based, grain free, low carb diet is the single best prescription for anyone with any form of diabetes.

mike_organon 14y ago
I agree. I went Paleo 2 years ago and it made blood sugar much easier to manage.
- awolf 14y ago
  Yup. Paleo has been transformative for me. The reason this diet is so great for diabetics is two-fold: 1) Meat gives my body the correct satiety signals, and so staying away from all of the carby treats that I use to find so addictive is no problem. It's easier for me to eat the right foods AND eat the right amounts of those foods. 2) Meat is not made of sugar like high carbohydrate foods are. The protein of meat needs to undergo a slow metabolic process (gluconeogenisis) in order for my body to turn it into sugar. What this means is that my food is "slow release" energy (sugar) as opposed to an instant sharp spike in sugar. Predictability is key when you need to manually inject the correct amount of sugar consuming hormone after every meal. This diet is also great for EVERYONE... But that's a different discussion.
  - herbivore 14y ago
    I'm glad it works out for you, but that diet is not great for everyone. In fact, much like the standard american diet - it's BAD for everyone, especially if the meat you consume is not grass fed. You're basically consuming the toxic soup of GMO corn, soy, and other grains fed to animals that were never meant to eat that. Plus you're consuming animal protein, which is very bad for humans. Unless you're thinking mainstream, those people don't even take issue with aspartame in their regular diet coke intake.

AlisdairO 14y ago

My wife is a type 1 diabetic. Type 1 diabetes is a disorder not caused by diet or by any particular moral failing you might imagine, and people with it are the primary target of a device like this. Your ignorance is insulting to millions of people who suffer due to diabetes. Please educate yourself rather than spouting nonsense.

Mz 14y ago
Hey, do you happen to have any links you would recommend explaining the difference? I have been keeping my mouth shut out of respect for the fact that a closed mouth gathers no feet. I am at high risk for CFRD -- cystic fibrosis related diabetes -- which is neither type 1 nor type 2, or so I understand. I have reversed a lot of my symptoms, something doctors say cannot be done. Trying to better understand the topic. Thanks.
- AlisdairO 14y ago
  Sure - this is a pretty good explanation: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7504.php http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7504.php . tl;dr: Type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disorder in which your body kills the insulin-producing cells in the pancreas, leaving you with no ability to produce insulin. Type 2 sufferers, on the other hand, can usually produce a normal amount of insulin, but their cells don't respond to it sufficiently.
  - Mz 14y ago
    Thank you. Working on reading it now. (Though I think "auto immune disorder" is utter bullshit and generally means the same thing as the phrase "dumb luck" -- basically, that they don't really have a logical explanation.)
    - herbivore 14y ago
      Generally auto immune disorder means your body is so full of toxins it can't work properly. That's why your first order of business is to cleanse it and stay away from everything your doctor says is fine: genetically modified foods, food dyes, pesticides, vaccines, fluoride, benzine and paragons in everyday products (think shampoo), artificial sweeteners, processed foods, animal protein and load up on vegetables, fruits, legumes, quinoa, super foods and antioxidants, etc. The information is out there, people just would rather listen to their doctor who will be out of a job if you just took better care of your body. There's no Spinach Foundation or Kale lobbyists paying doctor each time you walk in the door.