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There's fortunately no need to use any apple products. The ones most hurt by this will probably be Apple. Especially if functionality breaks as stated here. It

There's fortunately no need to use any apple products. The ones most hurt by this will probably be Apple. Especially if functionality breaks as stated here. It will mean the 'luxury phone brand' is now a broken phone brand at least in the EU. Apple users might switch and I think Samsung is most likely to get them.

joelanman 3y ago
that would be nice but when Apple dropped Flash it was Flash that died
fuzzy2 3y ago
It’s not that easy. I switched to iPhone mainly because of Android phone makers’ abysmal update policies. Heck, I had a Nexus 5 and it was “killed” merely 1.5 years after I bought it. Because newer Android required newer graphics drivers and Qualcomm said “no”. Supposedly things are better now, but are they really? My iPhone 7 was my daily driver for 5 years and was only retired because I got an offer that was too good to pass up. And then there’s also the degrading storage on many Android phones. They just become sooooo slow. My iPhone 7 is slow now, too. After 7 years, not after 3.
- rezonant 3y ago
  Both Samsung and Google now offer 7 years of software support (security and features) on their latest phones, and Samsung is increasing that from 5 years. > And then there’s also the degrading storage on many Android phones Citation needed.
  - fuzzy2 3y ago
    The performance degradation is just my experience from a Galaxy Nexus, a Galaxy Tab 2, a Nexus 5 and most of the older Android phones friends & family have/had. I don't remember from the earlier Android days. It's entirely possible this is "fixed" nowadays, because flash/UFS technology has progressed and/or device makers are finally using slightly less crappy components.
shepherdjerred 3y ago
Zero non-technical users actually care about PWA support.
Affric 3y ago
I am actually a moderately happy Apple user. The old phone I have is good. The smart watch works well for my needs. The laptop is light, quiet, cool, and I spend most of my productive time in a terminal. I don’t really care about my phone as a general purpose computer. Where the rubber hits the road for this one is what developers do. IMO the answer is to go all in on web apps. Make it obvious to the user that it’s Apple degrading the experience. At this point of the game, all Apple will understand is churn. And it is churn. They are rent seekers.

joelanman 3y ago

that would be nice but when Apple dropped Flash it was Flash that died

fuzzy2 3y ago

It’s not that easy. I switched to iPhone mainly because of Android phone makers’ abysmal update policies. Heck, I had a Nexus 5 and it was “killed” merely 1.5 years after I bought it. Because newer Android required newer graphics drivers and Qualcomm said “no”. Supposedly things are better now, but are they really? My iPhone 7 was my daily driver for 5 years and was only retired because I got an offer that was too good to pass up. And then there’s also the degrading storage on many Android phones. They just become sooooo slow. My iPhone 7 is slow now, too. After 7 years, not after 3.

rezonant 3y ago
Both Samsung and Google now offer 7 years of software support (security and features) on their latest phones, and Samsung is increasing that from 5 years. > And then there’s also the degrading storage on many Android phones Citation needed.
- fuzzy2 3y ago
  The performance degradation is just my experience from a Galaxy Nexus, a Galaxy Tab 2, a Nexus 5 and most of the older Android phones friends & family have/had. I don't remember from the earlier Android days. It's entirely possible this is "fixed" nowadays, because flash/UFS technology has progressed and/or device makers are finally using slightly less crappy components.

shepherdjerred 3y ago

Zero non-technical users actually care about PWA support.

Affric 3y ago

I am actually a moderately happy Apple user. The old phone I have is good. The smart watch works well for my needs. The laptop is light, quiet, cool, and I spend most of my productive time in a terminal. I don’t really care about my phone as a general purpose computer. Where the rubber hits the road for this one is what developers do. IMO the answer is to go all in on web apps. Make it obvious to the user that it’s Apple degrading the experience. At this point of the game, all Apple will understand is churn. And it is churn. They are rent seekers.