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Is this the same "naked festival" that finally allowed women to participate (instead of being male-only)?

neomantra 3y ago
I just heard a BBC radio piece referencing this 10 minutes ago. Found the web link [1] My quick naive gaigin interpretation is that OP is a Northern festival and the BBC one is a central Japan festival, so maybe both are evolving distinctly due to demographics. Both seem to involve naked chanting men in the cold at Shinto shrines. Maybe same core Shinto festival concept at different places. Like Carnival/MardiGras happens distinctly at multiple cities. ETA: Clarifying, the Japan Times reported the Northern shrine is ending the festival due to aging. The BBC reported the Central Japan festival is including women (via their own agency). [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68378651.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68378651.amp
whatindaheck 3y ago
> finally allowed women Is it inherently so bad for men and women to have their own spaces that we can use phrases like “finally allow women” for a ceremony started 1,000 years ago? This isn’t a job listing. Or a right like freedom of speech. Those should be available equally to everyone. It’s (cultural) festival. I see nothing wrong with it.
- becquerel 3y ago
  Yes, it is inherently bad, based on the grounds that women and men are equal and the vast majority of all distinctions drawn between them are completely specious. It would be like a festival that excluded people based on other equally made-up and unimportant differences like hair colour, eye colour, skin colour or nationality.
  - Gud 3y ago
    Men and women aren’t equal, there are absolutely differences.
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  - whatindaheck 3y ago
    Celebrating/wanting cultural erasure in the name of liberal thought blows my mind. If people want a festival for having brown eyes have at it. People such as myself have no cultural or religious ties to anything. My heritage is “American”. My co-workers are all isolated at home throughout the country. We’re social creatures. We need /something/ to give bearing. Even if it is silly! And to be clear. Human rights should apply to anyone and everyone. Regardless of what/who/where you are. Or are not. Our world needs more equality, equity, and solidarity. But made up social events surely don’t belong under “human rights”.
glandium 3y ago
No, the one you're thinking about is in the Aichi prefecture (Kounomiya).

I just heard a BBC radio piece referencing this 10 minutes ago. Found the web link [1] My quick naive gaigin interpretation is that OP is a Northern festival and the BBC one is a central Japan festival, so maybe both are evolving distinctly due to demographics. Both seem to involve naked chanting men in the cold at Shinto shrines. Maybe same core Shinto festival concept at different places. Like Carnival/MardiGras happens distinctly at multiple cities. ETA: Clarifying, the Japan Times reported the Northern shrine is ending the festival due to aging. The BBC reported the Central Japan festival is including women (via their own agency). [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68378651.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68378651.amp

whatindaheck 3y ago

> finally allowed women Is it inherently so bad for men and women to have their own spaces that we can use phrases like “finally allow women” for a ceremony started 1,000 years ago? This isn’t a job listing. Or a right like freedom of speech. Those should be available equally to everyone. It’s (cultural) festival. I see nothing wrong with it.

becquerel 3y ago
Yes, it is inherently bad, based on the grounds that women and men are equal and the vast majority of all distinctions drawn between them are completely specious. It would be like a festival that excluded people based on other equally made-up and unimportant differences like hair colour, eye colour, skin colour or nationality.
- Gud 3y ago
  Men and women aren’t equal, there are absolutely differences.
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- whatindaheck 3y ago
  Celebrating/wanting cultural erasure in the name of liberal thought blows my mind. If people want a festival for having brown eyes have at it. People such as myself have no cultural or religious ties to anything. My heritage is “American”. My co-workers are all isolated at home throughout the country. We’re social creatures. We need /something/ to give bearing. Even if it is silly! And to be clear. Human rights should apply to anyone and everyone. Regardless of what/who/where you are. Or are not. Our world needs more equality, equity, and solidarity. But made up social events surely don’t belong under “human rights”.

glandium 3y ago

No, the one you're thinking about is in the Aichi prefecture (Kounomiya).