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I wish table headers did this automatically. If devs do the extra work to use <th> tags then this is likely the behavior they already want.

by Sargos 3y ago

dheera 3y ago
Just install a browser plugin that allows you to load a custom stylesheet on every page. Unfortunately I'm seeing an increasing number of websites using 500 <div>s with 45 nested layers of <div>s within each <div> to create a table instead of <table>s so it wouldn't work on those.
- thatfatboy 3y ago
  > Just install a browser plugin that allows you to load a custom stylesheet on every page. why have everyone do extra work when one person could do it for everyone else in about the same amount of time that it would take one client to do?
  - madsbuch 3y ago
    My take is that default styling is already bloated enough. Every-time I need to start out a new project, the first thing I do os to reset default styles. Also, we already have a situation where different browsers have different defaults leading to an overall worse UX of the web. So please, let's not do this.
- sbierwagen 3y ago
  Note that this requires giving the plugin permissions to read and write to all pages you visit. Browser extensions are routinely compromised by bad actors to steal banking passwords or bitcoin wallet keys. I use tampermonkey, but I have it restricted to just one domain, which it complains about every time chrome is restarted.
- amelius 3y ago
  Perhaps AI can automatically figure out how to do it for each page?
James_K 3y ago
This definitely seems like the sort of change that would break things in unexpected ways. I think the main reason is probably that a lot of websites used tables to do grid layouts before CSS grid was a thing, so having sticky headings would break this. It's really a huge failure of the semantics of HTML that a table is viewed as "an arbitrary grid of elements" rather than "a way to display tabular data".
- NoPedantsThanks 3y ago
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- deprecative 3y ago
  Back when we'd use HTML tables for the entire layout. CSS wasn't a big thing and it couldn't do what you'd want. Even today plenty of emails are done via table hacking. I think your overall point is correct but the origin of the behavior, both human and web layout, are older than that.

I wish table headers did this automatically. If devs do the extra work to use <th> tags then this is likely the behavior they already want.

by Sargos 3y ago

I wish table headers did this automatically. If devs do the extra work to use <th> tags then this is likely the behavior they already want.

dheera 3y ago

Just install a browser plugin that allows you to load a custom stylesheet on every page. Unfortunately I'm seeing an increasing number of websites using 500 <div>s with 45 nested layers of <div>s within each <div> to create a table instead of <table>s so it wouldn't work on those.

thatfatboy 3y ago
> Just install a browser plugin that allows you to load a custom stylesheet on every page. why have everyone do extra work when one person could do it for everyone else in about the same amount of time that it would take one client to do?
- madsbuch 3y ago
  My take is that default styling is already bloated enough. Every-time I need to start out a new project, the first thing I do os to reset default styles. Also, we already have a situation where different browsers have different defaults leading to an overall worse UX of the web. So please, let's not do this.
sbierwagen 3y ago
Note that this requires giving the plugin permissions to read and write to all pages you visit. Browser extensions are routinely compromised by bad actors to steal banking passwords or bitcoin wallet keys. I use tampermonkey, but I have it restricted to just one domain, which it complains about every time chrome is restarted.
amelius 3y ago
Perhaps AI can automatically figure out how to do it for each page?

James_K 3y ago

This definitely seems like the sort of change that would break things in unexpected ways. I think the main reason is probably that a lot of websites used tables to do grid layouts before CSS grid was a thing, so having sticky headings would break this. It's really a huge failure of the semantics of HTML that a table is viewed as "an arbitrary grid of elements" rather than "a way to display tabular data".

NoPedantsThanks 3y ago
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deprecative 3y ago
Back when we'd use HTML tables for the entire layout. CSS wasn't a big thing and it couldn't do what you'd want. Even today plenty of emails are done via table hacking. I think your overall point is correct but the origin of the behavior, both human and web layout, are older than that.