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How do you self host an app? And if you can, how could you possibly reach the audience the size the app store offers? Never publish anything on Apple's ecosyst

by calsy 3y ago

How do you self host an app? And if you can, how could you possibly reach the audience the size the app store offers? Never publish anything on Apple's ecosystem as there no alternative... so don't publish at all is what you mean? All these crazy ideas come from people who don't work in app development, clearly.

jjav 3y ago
> All these crazy ideas come from people who don't work in app development, clearly. Since the dawn of computers, it has always been possible to write and publish software directly from the developer to the consumer. This is the normal state. Apple has broken this on iOS with their model where they are the sole arbiter, gatekeeper and tax extractor, of every application.
- 10729287 3y ago
  ... and they're working on breaking it on the personnal computer too. For security reasons, obviously.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    No, they’re not. macOS is a fully-functional Unix environment, and apple has been as welcoming towards Asahi as they can be while staying officially 100% divorced from all activity related to it (Asahi has seen apple do releases with enabling work for the bootloader that had no possible purpose other than enabling third-party OS).
    - jjav 3y ago
      > macOS is a fully-functional Unix environment Out of the box it is not. As root I can't read or write files that the permissions say I can, among other problems. It is still possible to disable all this but they make it more and more difficult. If I were to bet, I'd bet that the roadmap is to eventually make OSX be iOS, where you can't do anything except what apple specifically lets you do.
- calsy 3y ago
  Apps for mobile devices! not personal computers. Self hosted PWA's are absolutely available to open on mobile.. and no one uses them.
  - jjav 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418412
jaimex2 3y ago
> All these crazy ideas come from people who don't work in app development, clearly. iOS releases. Yes, and by choice. And if they keep at it with OSX I won't continue releasing to that either. Call me crazy but I'm not the one writing sob stories on HN about how Apple cucked my app which seems to be a HN weekly.

by calsy 3y ago

jjav 3y ago

> All these crazy ideas come from people who don't work in app development, clearly. Since the dawn of computers, it has always been possible to write and publish software directly from the developer to the consumer. This is the normal state. Apple has broken this on iOS with their model where they are the sole arbiter, gatekeeper and tax extractor, of every application.

10729287 3y ago
... and they're working on breaking it on the personnal computer too. For security reasons, obviously.
- paulmd 3y ago
  No, they’re not. macOS is a fully-functional Unix environment, and apple has been as welcoming towards Asahi as they can be while staying officially 100% divorced from all activity related to it (Asahi has seen apple do releases with enabling work for the bootloader that had no possible purpose other than enabling third-party OS).
  - jjav 3y ago
    > macOS is a fully-functional Unix environment Out of the box it is not. As root I can't read or write files that the permissions say I can, among other problems. It is still possible to disable all this but they make it more and more difficult. If I were to bet, I'd bet that the roadmap is to eventually make OSX be iOS, where you can't do anything except what apple specifically lets you do.
calsy 3y ago
Apps for mobile devices! not personal computers. Self hosted PWA's are absolutely available to open on mobile.. and no one uses them.
- jjav 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418412 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39418412

jaimex2 3y ago

> All these crazy ideas come from people who don't work in app development, clearly. iOS releases. Yes, and by choice. And if they keep at it with OSX I won't continue releasing to that either. Call me crazy but I'm not the one writing sob stories on HN about how Apple cucked my app which seems to be a HN weekly.