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> And why do you think that is good sir? Because on average they're less likely to prefer working in tech. They don't like it, it's that simple.

John23832 3y ago
> Because on average they're less likely to prefer working in tech. They don't like it, it's that simple. Again, why do you think that is? If you're saying women are less capable, be direct. Humans are social creatures and are designed to go where we're a part of the ingroup. That is the manifestation of the "preference" of working in tech. The tech sphere is often a bros club and exclusionary to women. There are many examples of talented women in our field being trampled out by the mob. Nobody, not even the godly You, wants be a part of a group that constantly hassles you.
- elektrontamer 3y ago
  > If you're saying women are less capable, be direct This is an anonymous forum, if that's what I thought, I would say so. I have no reason to censor myself, could not care less about the points. > The tech sphere is often a bros club and exclusionary to women. There is no sphere or club, if the software you write provides value to some company or users you get paid for it. No one cares about your chromosomes. >There are many examples of talented women in our field being trampled out by the mob. What happened? Did paying customers suddenly boycott their favorite sofwtare upon finding out that a woman wrote the code for it? I'd love to hear some examples.
  - tharne 3y ago
    > What happened? Did paying customers suddenly boycott their favorite sofwtare upon finding out that a woman wrote the code for it? I'd love to hear some examples. Don't go confusing online culture warriors with pesky things like facts or evidence :), this is the internet, sir. We run on outrage and accusation.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  "Again, why do you think that is?" What about "they prefer different careers"? Women and men just aren't the same. Few women love cold machines, anywhere in the world. Even in highly feminist cultures like Scandinavia, female engineers tend to be in the minority. We can look to the arts as well. In literature, you have a fairly clear picture of women reading different stuff than men. Same with music. Taylor Swift really seems to speak to the female mind, much less to the male mind. In the metal scene, the situation is flipped. These are mostly introverted activities (reading, listening to music) performed alone, and yet there is significant gender difference. The same is true about, uh, porn.
nunez 3y ago
How blasé of you to think it's "as simple" as "they don't like it". They don't like it? Take a look (or don't) at the org charts for any 20 tech companies that are past Series A funding. You will find that most of the execs are white men, most (not all, thankfully!) female leadership is in HR or PeopleOps, and any exec presence from non-Asian ethnic groups are for the company's diversity efforts (and we all know how HN feels about those). I've been doing this tech thing for a while. It is extremely difficult to find folks at the top that look like me (a black Latino). Hell, it is difficult to find folks in leadership positions that look like me in almost any industry except government. Women still get stomped over in meetings by men who have something to say, and women who challenge that are perceived as "cold." No, it is not that simple.
- mikhailfranco 3y ago
  I don't disagree with you, but would like to clarify one point: > Women still get stomped over in meetings by men who have something to say Narcissist alpha-males always have something to say (even if it's not relevant, useful or constructive), and they always stomp on everyone else, which obviously includes women, but also includes introvert, shy, geeky, nerdish men - who are equally fed-up with being ignored.

John23832 3y ago

> Because on average they're less likely to prefer working in tech. They don't like it, it's that simple. Again, why do you think that is? If you're saying women are less capable, be direct. Humans are social creatures and are designed to go where we're a part of the ingroup. That is the manifestation of the "preference" of working in tech. The tech sphere is often a bros club and exclusionary to women. There are many examples of talented women in our field being trampled out by the mob. Nobody, not even the godly You, wants be a part of a group that constantly hassles you.

elektrontamer 3y ago
> If you're saying women are less capable, be direct This is an anonymous forum, if that's what I thought, I would say so. I have no reason to censor myself, could not care less about the points. > The tech sphere is often a bros club and exclusionary to women. There is no sphere or club, if the software you write provides value to some company or users you get paid for it. No one cares about your chromosomes. >There are many examples of talented women in our field being trampled out by the mob. What happened? Did paying customers suddenly boycott their favorite sofwtare upon finding out that a woman wrote the code for it? I'd love to hear some examples.
- tharne 3y ago
  > What happened? Did paying customers suddenly boycott their favorite sofwtare upon finding out that a woman wrote the code for it? I'd love to hear some examples. Don't go confusing online culture warriors with pesky things like facts or evidence :), this is the internet, sir. We run on outrage and accusation.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"Again, why do you think that is?" What about "they prefer different careers"? Women and men just aren't the same. Few women love cold machines, anywhere in the world. Even in highly feminist cultures like Scandinavia, female engineers tend to be in the minority. We can look to the arts as well. In literature, you have a fairly clear picture of women reading different stuff than men. Same with music. Taylor Swift really seems to speak to the female mind, much less to the male mind. In the metal scene, the situation is flipped. These are mostly introverted activities (reading, listening to music) performed alone, and yet there is significant gender difference. The same is true about, uh, porn.

nunez 3y ago

How blasé of you to think it's "as simple" as "they don't like it". They don't like it? Take a look (or don't) at the org charts for any 20 tech companies that are past Series A funding. You will find that most of the execs are white men, most (not all, thankfully!) female leadership is in HR or PeopleOps, and any exec presence from non-Asian ethnic groups are for the company's diversity efforts (and we all know how HN feels about those). I've been doing this tech thing for a while. It is extremely difficult to find folks at the top that look like me (a black Latino). Hell, it is difficult to find folks in leadership positions that look like me in almost any industry except government. Women still get stomped over in meetings by men who have something to say, and women who challenge that are perceived as "cold." No, it is not that simple.

mikhailfranco 3y ago
I don't disagree with you, but would like to clarify one point: > Women still get stomped over in meetings by men who have something to say Narcissist alpha-males always have something to say (even if it's not relevant, useful or constructive), and they always stomp on everyone else, which obviously includes women, but also includes introvert, shy, geeky, nerdish men - who are equally fed-up with being ignored.