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What rocks are you referencing? As far as I am aware, modern humanity is by far the most capable civilisation that has ever existed on earth as far as moving r

by Balero 3y ago

What rocks are you referencing? As far as I am aware, modern humanity is by far the most capable civilisation that has ever existed on earth as far as moving rocks is concerned. The only thing beating us right now is glaciers and tectonic activity.

krapp 3y ago
I think they're making reference to some ancient Alien theories along the lines of Erich Von Daniken and others, which tend to postulate that certain ancient and megalithic structures would have been impossible to build without modern technology, and thus can only have been the result of alien interference. It's worth mentioning that there is often a white supremacist or pro-colonialist dimension to these theories. Rarely does anyone question whether the Greeks built their architecture, for instance, but according to these people it's simply not possible for the Egyptians to have built the pyramids.
miika 3y ago
The strongest mobile crane in the world can lift about 300 tons. While they are mobile cranes (with wheels) it’s hard for them to move in soft sand even without heavy loads. When they lift something they don’t move. There are some granite blocks that weigh over 1000 tons. We’re told that these were transported from hundreds of miles away, across mountain and over a river. Historians are not engineers so they don’t understand what they’re saying. If we were to move those blocks now we would need to build massive crane around it, that would move on tracks (ones you see in harbors). In this video they transport 340 ton rock. Pretty massive project and they used satellite data to find route without any uphill.. https://youtu.be/vCW0suiGZKQ?si=NM05HEQtRwDGCaHV https://youtu.be/vCW0suiGZKQ?si=NM05HEQtRwDGCaHV Somehow those ancient blocks were carved and transported thousands of years ago. How it was done and by who is unknown.. I think it’s understandable if someone picks the alien explanation as the most plausible answer. Personally I can entertain any idea but I wouldn’t bet on anything.
- Balero 3y ago
  Thanks for the additional info. > There are some granite blocks that weigh over 1000 tons. We’re told that these were transported from hundreds of miles away, across mountain and over a river. Historians are not engineers so they don’t understand what they’re saying. I am still unsure which ancient blocks you're referencing though. Stonehenge? Could you link to them, or a picture, or where in the world they are so I can google it? This is the closest I could find: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/largest-manmade-block-ever-carved-was-just-discovered-lebanon-180953518/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/largest-manmade-bl... but this one was not moved because it was too big (and is also limestone which i'm pretty sure is sedimentary)
  - miika 3y ago
    There is the fallen Ramses statue that is 1000 ton. Supposedly moved 500 miles across desert couple of thousand years ago. There is this story about moving 80 ton statue, even this wasn’t a small task for modern people. https://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/ramses-ii-grand-egyptian-museum https://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/ramses-ii-grand-egyptian-m... Unfinished Obelisk is 1500 tons but it’s still in the quarry, I wonder how they planned to even lift it up
    - miika 3y ago
      I asked from ChatGTP how many people would be required to lift 1000 ton block (if we consider slaves). “It would require approximately 19,753 people to lift a 1000-ton granite boulder, given the assumptions made regarding average lift capacity and efficiency factors. This is a theoretical estimate and assumes perfect conditions where all individuals can contribute equally and simultaneously, which may not be feasible in reality due to the physical space required and coordination challenges. 1. *Weight of the Boulder*: 1000 tons (US tons) = 2,000,000 pounds (lbs) since 1 ton = 2,000 lbs. 2. *Average Lift Capacity per Person*: The average untrained adult can safely lift about 135 pounds (deadlift, which is a reasonable approximation for lifting something off the ground) without training. However, for trained individuals, this number can be significantly higher. Let's use the untrained capacity for a conservative estimate. 3. *Safety and Efficiency Factors*: When lifting heavy objects, especially with many people, not everyone will be able to lift their maximum capacity due to the awkward shape of the object, grip issues, coordination, and safety concerns. Thus, we might apply a safety factor to ensure we're considering a realistic scenario. Let's assume 75% efficiency to account for these factors.” But you can’t fit that many people under the rock. If you wanted to use chains to help lifting it would require something better than wine ropes. Even chain made from copper wouldn’t hold it. That fallen Ramses statue is rose granite. Another mystery is how this statue was created. Because it’s so symmetrical and smooth we would have to use machinery in order to do it.

by Balero 3y ago

krapp 3y ago

I think they're making reference to some ancient Alien theories along the lines of Erich Von Daniken and others, which tend to postulate that certain ancient and megalithic structures would have been impossible to build without modern technology, and thus can only have been the result of alien interference. It's worth mentioning that there is often a white supremacist or pro-colonialist dimension to these theories. Rarely does anyone question whether the Greeks built their architecture, for instance, but according to these people it's simply not possible for the Egyptians to have built the pyramids.

miika 3y ago

The strongest mobile crane in the world can lift about 300 tons. While they are mobile cranes (with wheels) it’s hard for them to move in soft sand even without heavy loads. When they lift something they don’t move. There are some granite blocks that weigh over 1000 tons. We’re told that these were transported from hundreds of miles away, across mountain and over a river. Historians are not engineers so they don’t understand what they’re saying. If we were to move those blocks now we would need to build massive crane around it, that would move on tracks (ones you see in harbors). In this video they transport 340 ton rock. Pretty massive project and they used satellite data to find route without any uphill.. https://youtu.be/vCW0suiGZKQ?si=NM05HEQtRwDGCaHV https://youtu.be/vCW0suiGZKQ?si=NM05HEQtRwDGCaHV Somehow those ancient blocks were carved and transported thousands of years ago. How it was done and by who is unknown.. I think it’s understandable if someone picks the alien explanation as the most plausible answer. Personally I can entertain any idea but I wouldn’t bet on anything.

Balero 3y ago
Thanks for the additional info. > There are some granite blocks that weigh over 1000 tons. We’re told that these were transported from hundreds of miles away, across mountain and over a river. Historians are not engineers so they don’t understand what they’re saying. I am still unsure which ancient blocks you're referencing though. Stonehenge? Could you link to them, or a picture, or where in the world they are so I can google it? This is the closest I could find: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/largest-manmade-block-ever-carved-was-just-discovered-lebanon-180953518/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/largest-manmade-bl... but this one was not moved because it was too big (and is also limestone which i'm pretty sure is sedimentary)
- miika 3y ago
  There is the fallen Ramses statue that is 1000 ton. Supposedly moved 500 miles across desert couple of thousand years ago. There is this story about moving 80 ton statue, even this wasn’t a small task for modern people. https://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/ramses-ii-grand-egyptian-museum https://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/ramses-ii-grand-egyptian-m... Unfinished Obelisk is 1500 tons but it’s still in the quarry, I wonder how they planned to even lift it up
  - miika 3y ago
    I asked from ChatGTP how many people would be required to lift 1000 ton block (if we consider slaves). “It would require approximately 19,753 people to lift a 1000-ton granite boulder, given the assumptions made regarding average lift capacity and efficiency factors. This is a theoretical estimate and assumes perfect conditions where all individuals can contribute equally and simultaneously, which may not be feasible in reality due to the physical space required and coordination challenges. 1. *Weight of the Boulder*: 1000 tons (US tons) = 2,000,000 pounds (lbs) since 1 ton = 2,000 lbs. 2. *Average Lift Capacity per Person*: The average untrained adult can safely lift about 135 pounds (deadlift, which is a reasonable approximation for lifting something off the ground) without training. However, for trained individuals, this number can be significantly higher. Let's use the untrained capacity for a conservative estimate. 3. *Safety and Efficiency Factors*: When lifting heavy objects, especially with many people, not everyone will be able to lift their maximum capacity due to the awkward shape of the object, grip issues, coordination, and safety concerns. Thus, we might apply a safety factor to ensure we're considering a realistic scenario. Let's assume 75% efficiency to account for these factors.” But you can’t fit that many people under the rock. If you wanted to use chains to help lifting it would require something better than wine ropes. Even chain made from copper wouldn’t hold it. That fallen Ramses statue is rose granite. Another mystery is how this statue was created. Because it’s so symmetrical and smooth we would have to use machinery in order to do it.