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Or just go to OCP site: https://www.opencompute.org/about https://www.opencompute.org/about Looks like something started with Facebook. Sounds wonder if Oxide

Or just go to OCP site: https://www.opencompute.org/about https://www.opencompute.org/about Looks like something started with Facebook. Sounds wonder if Oxide involved in it?

steveklabnik 3y ago
bcantrill has talked a bit about OCP in the past, see these threads: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36558588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36558588 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23979117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23979117
- vmfunction 3y ago
  Wow thanks for pointing that out!!! > Facebook's Tioga Pass[1] the innovations in that system are simply not available for any price to the enterprise buyer Seems like OCP may not be as open as appears, when some 'secrete sauce' is behind FB wall. Seems like better to go with Oxide instead of this OCP approach. Disappointing, but not surprising coming from FB or any of FANNG group.
  - p_l 3y ago
    It's not so much an "FB Wall" as much as OCP vendors not willing to engage with small clients. Big clients can leverage their size to acquire supply contracts from ODM's like Quanta that quite often would just ignore smaller companies. Arguably the big innovation of Oxide is providing a turnkey system in the same range that is comparatively easier to buy.
    - vmfunction 3y ago
      Thanks for pointing that out. Which makes me think it is better to have Oxide approach instead of something like OCP. It seems to only really benefit large organisations.
      - p_l 3y ago
        OCP and Oxide two different but not exclusive approaches. There are vendors providing different levels of integration, including groups that will ship you turneky systems akin to Oxide (or AWS Outpost). Those might depend on OCP Standards to provide higher level of integration than integrating normal HW solutions. Starts at integrating somewhat individual components, going through fill racks, to entire data center standards or designs for Modular Data Centers which you can load onto a truck, deliver to location, hook up and have them working (some might remember Sun containerised datacenter thing, which arguably reminds me of bigger Oxide rack in some ways) Similarly some bits designed for OCP (or hosted by OCP) contribute to wider environment, like OpenBMC, OCP Mezzanine cards
        bcantrill 3y ago
        That's exactly right. OCP is an important effort because it encourages all of these things. (And that it has been more encouraging of software in the last few years is a step in the right direction -- but it is still broadly disappointing on the open firmware front.) Another concrete example to add to the ones you listed: we are using the presence of the OCP DC-SCM connector[0] in next-gen AMD dev boards to be able to have our service processor[1] be able to control many aspects of the SoC before we have our own boards taped out. All of that said: it remains true that going ODM-direct really isn't possible for all but the largest buyers -- and even then, it is a big upfront investment in terms of both capital and engineering time. (And one remains entirely on one's own for software!) So while we are appreciative and supportive of OCP, we also very much believe that there's room for the kind of turnkey solution that Oxide offers. [0] https://www.opencompute.org/documents/ocp-dc-scm-spec-rev-1-0-pdf https://www.opencompute.org/documents/ocp-dc-scm-spec-rev-1-... [1] https://oxide.computer/blog/hubris-and-humility https://oxide.computer/blog/hubris-and-humility

Or just go to OCP site: https://www.opencompute.org/about https://www.opencompute.org/about Looks like something started with Facebook. Sounds wonder if Oxide involved in it?

steveklabnik 3y ago

bcantrill has talked a bit about OCP in the past, see these threads: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36558588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36558588 * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23979117 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23979117

vmfunction 3y ago
Wow thanks for pointing that out!!! > Facebook's Tioga Pass[1] the innovations in that system are simply not available for any price to the enterprise buyer Seems like OCP may not be as open as appears, when some 'secrete sauce' is behind FB wall. Seems like better to go with Oxide instead of this OCP approach. Disappointing, but not surprising coming from FB or any of FANNG group.
- p_l 3y ago
  It's not so much an "FB Wall" as much as OCP vendors not willing to engage with small clients. Big clients can leverage their size to acquire supply contracts from ODM's like Quanta that quite often would just ignore smaller companies. Arguably the big innovation of Oxide is providing a turnkey system in the same range that is comparatively easier to buy.
  - vmfunction 3y ago
    Thanks for pointing that out. Which makes me think it is better to have Oxide approach instead of something like OCP. It seems to only really benefit large organisations.
    - p_l 3y ago
      OCP and Oxide two different but not exclusive approaches. There are vendors providing different levels of integration, including groups that will ship you turneky systems akin to Oxide (or AWS Outpost). Those might depend on OCP Standards to provide higher level of integration than integrating normal HW solutions. Starts at integrating somewhat individual components, going through fill racks, to entire data center standards or designs for Modular Data Centers which you can load onto a truck, deliver to location, hook up and have them working (some might remember Sun containerised datacenter thing, which arguably reminds me of bigger Oxide rack in some ways) Similarly some bits designed for OCP (or hosted by OCP) contribute to wider environment, like OpenBMC, OCP Mezzanine cards
      - bcantrill 3y ago
        That's exactly right. OCP is an important effort because it encourages all of these things. (And that it has been more encouraging of software in the last few years is a step in the right direction -- but it is still broadly disappointing on the open firmware front.) Another concrete example to add to the ones you listed: we are using the presence of the OCP DC-SCM connector[0] in next-gen AMD dev boards to be able to have our service processor[1] be able to control many aspects of the SoC before we have our own boards taped out. All of that said: it remains true that going ODM-direct really isn't possible for all but the largest buyers -- and even then, it is a big upfront investment in terms of both capital and engineering time. (And one remains entirely on one's own for software!) So while we are appreciative and supportive of OCP, we also very much believe that there's room for the kind of turnkey solution that Oxide offers. [0] https://www.opencompute.org/documents/ocp-dc-scm-spec-rev-1-0-pdf https://www.opencompute.org/documents/ocp-dc-scm-spec-rev-1-... [1] https://oxide.computer/blog/hubris-and-humility https://oxide.computer/blog/hubris-and-humility