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Canonical made me do a personality test. From what I understand, Canonical culture isn't great, either. The whole process sounds a lot like what you are talkin

Canonical made me do a personality test. From what I understand, Canonical culture isn't great, either. The whole process sounds a lot like what you are talking about -- just hoops to winnow out people for the sake of winnowing.

jaymzjulian 3y ago
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zen928 3y ago
After that personality test, they ask you to complete a timed IQ test. After that, you'll reach a behavioral interview after which you get assigned a "take home" technical assessment, which then after submitting you can schedule to have technical interviews (potentially multiple). You can fail at any step along the way. It was one of the more laughably ridiculous interviewing processes I've seen, and thankfully the only one I've seen recently that was so egregious.
Macha 3y ago
Having seen Canonical's personality test, while it's impossible to verify without their marking methodology, it feels explicitly classist (which in the US probably means it produces racist outcomes too)
- Alupis 3y ago
  > it feels explicitly classist (which in the US probably means it produces racist outcomes too) Please elaborate...
  - shermantanktop 3y ago
    You'll probably get better answers to questions about polo, golf, opera, and croquet on Martha's Vineyard than you will in South Compton.
    - Alupis 3y ago
      There are wealthy and poor people all across the country that do or do not participate or relate to any of those named things. You have identified a very specific type of economic class, which has nothing to do with "race" and/or ethnicity. I also doubt Canonical is only seeking people who "summer" in Martha's Vineyard, regardless of their skin color.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        Nobody said they were. That was an example to explain how questions like these can be classist.
        shermantanktop 3y ago
        Exactly. That said, some standardized tests have been accused of class or race bias merely by the demographic distribution of outcomes, which requires a lot more explaining than asking whether "Does Buffy's Jaguar leak oil?" has a potential class bias.
        Alupis 3y ago
        > That was an example to explain how questions like these can be classist The op asserted classist == racist in the US. Something I requested elaboration on, and has yet to be offered.
        0xBDB 3y ago
        OP asserted "probably", so not ==. In the U.S. class, income, and race are correlated for various historical reasons. Obviously "correlated" means "on average", not a rigid relationship. But discriminating based on class is very likely based on correlation to produce a disparate impact based on race. How disparate, and how bad that is and even I suppose whether it's bad, are hotly contested ideological questions.
      - stirfish 3y ago
        >You have identified a very specific type of economic class, which has nothing to do with "race" and/or ethnicity Please elaborate...
  - Macha 3y ago
    Way too much emphasis on if you went to the "right" high school or college for something given to people with ten year's experience, interest in those that took a hyper competitive view to niche hobbies in their high school years, why they picked the third level institution they did (economic necessity did not seem likely to be an acceptable answer).
    - Alupis 3y ago
      So, what does that have to do with racism?
      - Macha 3y ago
        In the US the two are intertwined because historical discrimination produced reduced chances for black people to make it into the middle and upper class, and this is a generational effect. Consequentially things that discriminate against the working class will also discriminate against historically discriminated minorities.
        Alupis 3y ago
        I don't think there is a way you can assert hiring practices that discern based on economic status are de facto racist in the modern US. That seems to be quite a stretch. In fact, many of the practices at large organizations are designed expressly to favor historically discriminated populations - and in other cases historically discriminated populations don't need an artificial advantage and have outpaced other populations on their own merit.
        lmm 3y ago
        > I don't think there is a way you can assert hiring practices that discern based on economic status are de facto racist in the modern US. That seems to be quite a stretch. It meets the "disparate impact" criterion, which is the legal bar for racism.
    - caskstrength 3y ago

jaymzjulian 3y ago

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zen928 3y ago

After that personality test, they ask you to complete a timed IQ test. After that, you'll reach a behavioral interview after which you get assigned a "take home" technical assessment, which then after submitting you can schedule to have technical interviews (potentially multiple). You can fail at any step along the way. It was one of the more laughably ridiculous interviewing processes I've seen, and thankfully the only one I've seen recently that was so egregious.

Macha 3y ago

Having seen Canonical's personality test, while it's impossible to verify without their marking methodology, it feels explicitly classist (which in the US probably means it produces racist outcomes too)

Alupis 3y ago
> it feels explicitly classist (which in the US probably means it produces racist outcomes too) Please elaborate...
- shermantanktop 3y ago
  You'll probably get better answers to questions about polo, golf, opera, and croquet on Martha's Vineyard than you will in South Compton.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    There are wealthy and poor people all across the country that do or do not participate or relate to any of those named things. You have identified a very specific type of economic class, which has nothing to do with "race" and/or ethnicity. I also doubt Canonical is only seeking people who "summer" in Martha's Vineyard, regardless of their skin color.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Nobody said they were. That was an example to explain how questions like these can be classist.
      - shermantanktop 3y ago
        Exactly. That said, some standardized tests have been accused of class or race bias merely by the demographic distribution of outcomes, which requires a lot more explaining than asking whether "Does Buffy's Jaguar leak oil?" has a potential class bias.
      - Alupis 3y ago
        > That was an example to explain how questions like these can be classist The op asserted classist == racist in the US. Something I requested elaboration on, and has yet to be offered.
        0xBDB 3y ago
        OP asserted "probably", so not ==. In the U.S. class, income, and race are correlated for various historical reasons. Obviously "correlated" means "on average", not a rigid relationship. But discriminating based on class is very likely based on correlation to produce a disparate impact based on race. How disparate, and how bad that is and even I suppose whether it's bad, are hotly contested ideological questions.
    - stirfish 3y ago
      >You have identified a very specific type of economic class, which has nothing to do with "race" and/or ethnicity Please elaborate...
- Macha 3y ago
  Way too much emphasis on if you went to the "right" high school or college for something given to people with ten year's experience, interest in those that took a hyper competitive view to niche hobbies in their high school years, why they picked the third level institution they did (economic necessity did not seem likely to be an acceptable answer).
  - Alupis 3y ago
    So, what does that have to do with racism?
    - Macha 3y ago
      In the US the two are intertwined because historical discrimination produced reduced chances for black people to make it into the middle and upper class, and this is a generational effect. Consequentially things that discriminate against the working class will also discriminate against historically discriminated minorities.
      - Alupis 3y ago
        I don't think there is a way you can assert hiring practices that discern based on economic status are de facto racist in the modern US. That seems to be quite a stretch. In fact, many of the practices at large organizations are designed expressly to favor historically discriminated populations - and in other cases historically discriminated populations don't need an artificial advantage and have outpaced other populations on their own merit.
        lmm 3y ago
        > I don't think there is a way you can assert hiring practices that discern based on economic status are de facto racist in the modern US. That seems to be quite a stretch. It meets the "disparate impact" criterion, which is the legal bar for racism.
  - caskstrength 3y ago