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What cultures do you think prioritize the truth?

neverrroot 3y ago
The cultures that focus on performance. Just like the West did in the past. Now, with DEI/woke agendas, the focus is definitely on something else, especially in academia.
- Swenrekcah 3y ago
  Boeing’s problems have nothing to do with DEI. That’s not to say that some, not all, of DEI implementations aren’t stoopid, but it is just absolutely not what’s going on at Boeing. And also, you didn’t answer what the truth seeking cultures are if not the educated liberal democracies.
  - neverrroot 3y ago
    Boeing was about not prioritizing the right thing, short term thinking and not prioritizing the truth. It took long, but it there we are. Let’s agree to disagree on what my prior answer contains.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    DEI does to society what the penny pushers at Boeing did to their business: chasing the wrong objectives in search of some theoretical goal leads both to ruin. If any DEI implementation is not 'stoopid' that is only by happenstance, not due to some kernel of truth lurking behind the discriminatory revolutionary synthetic-society ideological hodgepodge that DEI is. There is no truth to be had there, only ideology.
    - _cenw 3y ago
      The Ideology is common people having baked in prejeduces, not becoming aware of them, and I'm continuously baffled how so many people on HN can't see beyond their own default view. The other Ideology is DEI usually being a pet project in corporate, more there to use for PR than to enact real change. HR will always reserve the right to fuck you over with all means available, and if that includes your race, gender or religion, they'll happily use that. This is a good extreme example: https://fandomwire.com/transgender-former-bethesda-employee-was-forced-out/ https://fandomwire.com/transgender-former-bethesda-employee-...
    - Swenrekcah 3y ago
      The fundamental observation that many kinds of prejudices that continue for generations create lasting harm for those that have been prejudiced against and their descendants is kind of self-evident. The “woke” or DEI mindset is as far as I can tell, in origin basically about acknowledging that. Then all sorts of things, including social media pressures, combined with grievance and resentment have led people really far astray in their attempts to “make things right”. So I understand the visceral reaction the words can cause for some people, and partly agree. However, the underlying observation is true, and if one for example were looking for a candidate and would, inspired by this observation, spend extra effort to advertise to certain groups, then that would be a pretty sensible DEI implementation. Any sort of relaxed standards or claims that math is racist or something is bad however. Racial or gender quotas are also dangerous, if they’re used it needs to be very careful and temporary. I do feel that while this sort of stupid stuff obviously happens, is discriminatory and very bad, and should be stopped, it is probably being blown out of proportion as part of a bigger political fight.
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The cultures that focus on performance. Just like the West did in the past. Now, with DEI/woke agendas, the focus is definitely on something else, especially in academia.

Swenrekcah 3y ago
Boeing’s problems have nothing to do with DEI. That’s not to say that some, not all, of DEI implementations aren’t stoopid, but it is just absolutely not what’s going on at Boeing. And also, you didn’t answer what the truth seeking cultures are if not the educated liberal democracies.
- neverrroot 3y ago
  Boeing was about not prioritizing the right thing, short term thinking and not prioritizing the truth. It took long, but it there we are. Let’s agree to disagree on what my prior answer contains.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  DEI does to society what the penny pushers at Boeing did to their business: chasing the wrong objectives in search of some theoretical goal leads both to ruin. If any DEI implementation is not 'stoopid' that is only by happenstance, not due to some kernel of truth lurking behind the discriminatory revolutionary synthetic-society ideological hodgepodge that DEI is. There is no truth to be had there, only ideology.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    The Ideology is common people having baked in prejeduces, not becoming aware of them, and I'm continuously baffled how so many people on HN can't see beyond their own default view. The other Ideology is DEI usually being a pet project in corporate, more there to use for PR than to enact real change. HR will always reserve the right to fuck you over with all means available, and if that includes your race, gender or religion, they'll happily use that. This is a good extreme example: https://fandomwire.com/transgender-former-bethesda-employee-was-forced-out/ https://fandomwire.com/transgender-former-bethesda-employee-...
  - Swenrekcah 3y ago
    The fundamental observation that many kinds of prejudices that continue for generations create lasting harm for those that have been prejudiced against and their descendants is kind of self-evident. The “woke” or DEI mindset is as far as I can tell, in origin basically about acknowledging that. Then all sorts of things, including social media pressures, combined with grievance and resentment have led people really far astray in their attempts to “make things right”. So I understand the visceral reaction the words can cause for some people, and partly agree. However, the underlying observation is true, and if one for example were looking for a candidate and would, inspired by this observation, spend extra effort to advertise to certain groups, then that would be a pretty sensible DEI implementation. Any sort of relaxed standards or claims that math is racist or something is bad however. Racial or gender quotas are also dangerous, if they’re used it needs to be very careful and temporary. I do feel that while this sort of stupid stuff obviously happens, is discriminatory and very bad, and should be stopped, it is probably being blown out of proportion as part of a bigger political fight.
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