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How? How US can be loosing a war it doesn't fight in? It's the same as saying that North Korea is loosing against Ukraine because they deliver ammunition to Rus

by bbsz 3y ago

How? How US can be loosing a war it doesn't fight in? It's the same as saying that North Korea is loosing against Ukraine because they deliver ammunition to Russia. A fallacy. And even if you'd want to use that metric. How exactly loosing zero US personnel at the cost of getting a real-life assessment of NATO combined mobile warfare against the Soviet artillery superiority doctrine is a lose situation for US?

KptMarchewa 3y ago
Which assessment of NATO mobile warfare we can talk about when there's literally no NATO's biggest asset - aviation and no biggest enabler or mobile warfare - battlefield isolation?
- bbsz 3y ago
  Touche. But I'd say that this makes it even the more valuable lesson. Battlefield characteristics is still very close and Russians (now) are acting like they would act against the NATO-trained forces. And, of course, it's liberal on my part to put Ukrainian Army in the basket of NATO forces as that is only true for maybe a year (after the first rotations ended). That being said. I think that there's unprecedented amount of military intel US is getting out of this conflict for pennies on the dollar.
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    >Battlefield characteristics is still very close and Russians (now) are acting like they would act against the NATO-trained forces. I don't think they are even close to that - their meat assaults Avdiivka type is not something that would ever happen in conflict with NATO involvement, because the frontline would never stabilize in a way that would enable russia to employ those tactics. NATO-trained is very wide statement, some African armies and Afghanistan ones were NATO trained and it went nowhere. >That being said. I think that there's unprecedented amount of military intel US is getting out of this conflict for pennies on the dollar. Sure. There's no EW piece that russia had in 2022 and wasn't captured intact in the first few months :)

by bbsz 3y ago

KptMarchewa 3y ago

Which assessment of NATO mobile warfare we can talk about when there's literally no NATO's biggest asset - aviation and no biggest enabler or mobile warfare - battlefield isolation?

bbsz 3y ago
Touche. But I'd say that this makes it even the more valuable lesson. Battlefield characteristics is still very close and Russians (now) are acting like they would act against the NATO-trained forces. And, of course, it's liberal on my part to put Ukrainian Army in the basket of NATO forces as that is only true for maybe a year (after the first rotations ended). That being said. I think that there's unprecedented amount of military intel US is getting out of this conflict for pennies on the dollar.
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  >Battlefield characteristics is still very close and Russians (now) are acting like they would act against the NATO-trained forces. I don't think they are even close to that - their meat assaults Avdiivka type is not something that would ever happen in conflict with NATO involvement, because the frontline would never stabilize in a way that would enable russia to employ those tactics. NATO-trained is very wide statement, some African armies and Afghanistan ones were NATO trained and it went nowhere. >That being said. I think that there's unprecedented amount of military intel US is getting out of this conflict for pennies on the dollar. Sure. There's no EW piece that russia had in 2022 and wasn't captured intact in the first few months :)