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As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers

As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.

infecto 3y ago
As a cyclist and driver, I feel fault is not to be assigned to the car by default. If you are driving a car you certainly need to be aware but if you are walking or riding a bicycle you need to be equally aware of your surroundings. People are stupid regardless of what they are driving.
phicoh 3y ago
This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car is actually going to stop.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while driving, for example. I've ridden around cities my whole life on bikes and you can obey all the rules you like, you're still completely vulnerable when it comes to dangerous, inattentive driving. Cars, for the most part, really are a stupid idea, especially in cities.
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    > is always at fault > held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective Get yourself a consistent worldview. Anything else is susceptible to the principle of explosion.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Well it is the law. A cyclists will never go to jail for running into a car. So I think my world view is pretty consistent.
dudul 3y ago
Cyclists need to follow the rules. If a cyclist starts buffooning on the road and ends up in an accident I have no problem saying that they were looking for it.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I'm sorry, but where did I say the cyclists shouldn't obey the rules? Basically, in all cases the cyclist is going to come off first in any encounter with a car.
  - dudul 3y ago
    "As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault." I dont see a lot of ambiguity here.
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HDThoreaun 3y ago
As a cyclist and a driver I feel this is a horrible mentality, and sharing it openly gives all your fellow cyclists a poor reputation.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Ok when driving a car, especially in a very populated area, you don't have to be extra careful?

As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault. Of course if the cyclist ran into the car that’s different but drivers need to be ultra careful. Period.

infecto 3y ago

As a cyclist and driver, I feel fault is not to be assigned to the car by default. If you are driving a car you certainly need to be aware but if you are walking or riding a bicycle you need to be equally aware of your surroundings. People are stupid regardless of what they are driving.

phicoh 3y ago

This attitude doesn't help when typically in a collision, the cyclist needs medical treatment. Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. So for a cyclist, don't get in the path of a 'killing machine' when the car has priority and when the cyclist has priority look for clues that the car is actually going to stop.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Traffic is a complex real-time action game where there are serious consequences if people make mistakes. So the best approach is to be predictable within the traffic rules. Like no shit, I never said cyclists shouldn't obey the rules, but motorists should be held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective because of the insane amounts of damage that can be inflicted by jerking around on Instagram while driving, for example. I've ridden around cities my whole life on bikes and you can obey all the rules you like, you're still completely vulnerable when it comes to dangerous, inattentive driving. Cars, for the most part, really are a stupid idea, especially in cities.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  > is always at fault > held to a much higher standard from a legal perspective Get yourself a consistent worldview. Anything else is susceptible to the principle of explosion.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Well it is the law. A cyclists will never go to jail for running into a car. So I think my world view is pretty consistent.

dudul 3y ago

Cyclists need to follow the rules. If a cyclist starts buffooning on the road and ends up in an accident I have no problem saying that they were looking for it.

ChatGTP 3y ago
I'm sorry, but where did I say the cyclists shouldn't obey the rules? Basically, in all cases the cyclist is going to come off first in any encounter with a car.
- dudul 3y ago
  "As a cyclist and a driver I feel the one driving the killing machine is always at fault." I dont see a lot of ambiguity here.
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HDThoreaun 3y ago

As a cyclist and a driver I feel this is a horrible mentality, and sharing it openly gives all your fellow cyclists a poor reputation.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Ok when driving a car, especially in a very populated area, you don't have to be extra careful?