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> these shells have been redirected to Israel and are being used in Gaza The front in Gaza is not Israel's only wartime front, not in the current conflict and

> these shells have been redirected to Israel and are being used in Gaza The front in Gaza is not Israel's only wartime front, not in the current conflict and not during past conflicts: Currently, Israel needs this ammunition to defend itself from Hezbollah forces in Southern Lebanon that have engaged in heavy indiscriminate rocket launching against Israeli civilian populations in the Northern Israel. At least 65,000 Israeli civilians have been forced to evacuate from their homes into temporary dorms until this Hezbollah threat is removed. Hezbollah, an Iran-backed terrorist org with ties to Lebanon parliament, must disengage their troops, as they are breaking the UN Resolution 1701 of demilitarization of the Southern Lebanon area. Rocket launching from South Lebanon has started concurrently with Hamas attacks against Israel that started on October 7th in the Southern Israel. > these shells have been redirected to Israel and are being used in Gaza IDF usually doesn't use this ammunition against target threats in the Gaza strip. The most common explosives used are the Israeli air-force's targeted airstrikes, which are very precise and are performed to limit casualties of non-engaged civilians in the conflict. > these shells have been redirected to Israel and are being used in Gaza in service of genocide, which the International Court of Justice has determined to be likely to be occurring There is no genocide taking place in Gaza. There is war, yes, and civilians die too, yes, some even plausibly innocent, but the attacks are not with intent to target civilians. IDF commanders don't issue commands that break humanitarian limits and IDF soldiers adhere to their commanders strictly (outlier cases are dealt with promptly by military court). FYI the ICJ's court of justice has NOT determined that a genocide is likely to be occurring, in fact it only issued a provisional statement that humanitarian care for the population of the Gaza Strip should continue, which Israel has already been doing for many months now, and will continue to provide, with enabling the entry of 100-200 or more trucks full of food every day, gasoline, and other humanitarian products etc.

hef19898 3y ago
What happens in Gaza is: - targeted destruction of civil infrastructure (check rules of warfare regarding that) - intentional destruction of a city - a specified goal of displacing Palestinians living in Gaza - blocking escape routes forbthose people And all that after: - turning Gaza into an open air prison - controlling all utilities for Gaza - blocking Gaza's access to the Medditeraneab - blocking and controlling all border crossing into and out of Gaza Maybe not yet Genozid yet, but clearly Apatheid and on-going ethnic cleansing. Stop defending that. Just some numbers: Displaced people, 1.8 million in Gaza, 3-5 million in Ukraine Civilian casualties, 10,000 in Ukraine between Feb '22 and Nov '23 and 28,000 in Gaza as of Feb '24.
tehjoker 3y ago
The attacks from Lebanon are in defense of Gaza and are part of Lebanon's legal obligation to prevent genocide. Aiding Israeli forces that are conducting illegal acts is complicity. > are performed to limit casualties of non-engaged civilians in the conflict. Over 20k Gazans have died, few of them resistance members because they are in tunnels. The majority of dead are women and children. Israel is attacking the families of the resistance because they cannot reach them. This is collective punishment. Almost every hospital has been evacuated or destroyed. Universities destroyed. They are wiping out all humanitarian services and cultural artifacts. > FYI the ICJ's court of justice has NOT determined that a genocide is likely to be occurring, Provisional measures are granted when it is determined there is a likelihood that genocide is occurring. The case will drag on for years to determine on the merits whether genocide has in fact occurred. Many scholars have opined that this case is unique because of the sheer number of open statements of intent by every level of Israeli society. https://www.icj-cij.org/taxonomy/term/409 https://www.icj-cij.org/taxonomy/term/409
- khokhol 3y ago
  The attacks from Lebanon are in defense of Gaza Sorry, but this is simply naive. Hezbollah and Iran are doing what they're doing out of long-standing ulterior geopolitical motives. Not because they could give a flying toss about the Palestinians.
  - tehjoker 3y ago
    I wonder if those geopolitical motives has something to do with Israeli expansionism and settler-colonialism, which founded the Israeli state with the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, in 1948? Surrounding states have been highly sympathetic to the Palestinian plight. Israel invaded Lebanon multiple times.
    - khokhol 3y ago
      Which founded the Israeli state with the Nakba, Look, we all know the history. Please don't be so arrogant. The main point is, if you were to break down the reasons why the theocratic regime in Iran really opposes Israel at every turn - as opposed to what the narratives that they're happy to let you believe, such as the above, say about these motives - you probably wouldn't be blithely repeating those narratives.
khokhol 3y ago
In fact it only issued a provisional statement that humanitarian care for the population of the Gaza Strip should continue, This is very clearly not what the ruling says. And it is intellectually evasive to characterize as such, given that information about the ruling is widely and immediately available. And I don't mean "evasive" in terms of spin, polish or oversimplifying. But rather, of an overt attempt to obfuscate the nature of the ruling. There's no way that you, yourself, can plausibly believe the above statement you just made.

hef19898 3y ago

What happens in Gaza is: - targeted destruction of civil infrastructure (check rules of warfare regarding that) - intentional destruction of a city - a specified goal of displacing Palestinians living in Gaza - blocking escape routes forbthose people And all that after: - turning Gaza into an open air prison - controlling all utilities for Gaza - blocking Gaza's access to the Medditeraneab - blocking and controlling all border crossing into and out of Gaza Maybe not yet Genozid yet, but clearly Apatheid and on-going ethnic cleansing. Stop defending that. Just some numbers: Displaced people, 1.8 million in Gaza, 3-5 million in Ukraine Civilian casualties, 10,000 in Ukraine between Feb '22 and Nov '23 and 28,000 in Gaza as of Feb '24.

tehjoker 3y ago

The attacks from Lebanon are in defense of Gaza and are part of Lebanon's legal obligation to prevent genocide. Aiding Israeli forces that are conducting illegal acts is complicity. > are performed to limit casualties of non-engaged civilians in the conflict. Over 20k Gazans have died, few of them resistance members because they are in tunnels. The majority of dead are women and children. Israel is attacking the families of the resistance because they cannot reach them. This is collective punishment. Almost every hospital has been evacuated or destroyed. Universities destroyed. They are wiping out all humanitarian services and cultural artifacts. > FYI the ICJ's court of justice has NOT determined that a genocide is likely to be occurring, Provisional measures are granted when it is determined there is a likelihood that genocide is occurring. The case will drag on for years to determine on the merits whether genocide has in fact occurred. Many scholars have opined that this case is unique because of the sheer number of open statements of intent by every level of Israeli society. https://www.icj-cij.org/taxonomy/term/409 https://www.icj-cij.org/taxonomy/term/409

khokhol 3y ago
The attacks from Lebanon are in defense of Gaza Sorry, but this is simply naive. Hezbollah and Iran are doing what they're doing out of long-standing ulterior geopolitical motives. Not because they could give a flying toss about the Palestinians.
- tehjoker 3y ago
  I wonder if those geopolitical motives has something to do with Israeli expansionism and settler-colonialism, which founded the Israeli state with the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, in 1948? Surrounding states have been highly sympathetic to the Palestinian plight. Israel invaded Lebanon multiple times.
  - khokhol 3y ago
    Which founded the Israeli state with the Nakba, Look, we all know the history. Please don't be so arrogant. The main point is, if you were to break down the reasons why the theocratic regime in Iran really opposes Israel at every turn - as opposed to what the narratives that they're happy to let you believe, such as the above, say about these motives - you probably wouldn't be blithely repeating those narratives.

khokhol 3y ago

In fact it only issued a provisional statement that humanitarian care for the population of the Gaza Strip should continue, This is very clearly not what the ruling says. And it is intellectually evasive to characterize as such, given that information about the ruling is widely and immediately available. And I don't mean "evasive" in terms of spin, polish or oversimplifying. But rather, of an overt attempt to obfuscate the nature of the ruling. There's no way that you, yourself, can plausibly believe the above statement you just made.