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I no longer trust anything Spotify says after they fought so hard to get support for home pod actions, Apple added those and years later they haven't bothered t

I no longer trust anything Spotify says after they fought so hard to get support for home pod actions, Apple added those and years later they haven't bothered to implement that OR airplay 2.

jeppester 3y ago
If you stop trusting companies after they've done one bad thing, which companies do you feel like you can trust?
- Vermyndax 3y ago
  If you think Spotify has only done one bad thing, you're delusional. There's mountains of evidence that shows how they regularly fleece artists. Just last week this site hosted a story that researched how they're now using AI to generate fake music to avoid paying artists even further. They pay a fortune to Joe Rogan, a man who is willfully destroying the country by spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories. This company is responsible for so, so much damage.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    "The country?"
  - jeppester 3y ago
    I don't doubt that, but for all major companies you'll be able to find a long list of bad things they did.
  - tomp 3y ago
    > misinformation and conspiracy theories Do people still fall for this FUD? If you have actual arguments, please list them. Otherwise don't insinuate with far-left dog whistles.
    - pixxel 3y ago
      They never backup their group think.
  - piva00 3y ago
    > Just last week this site hosted a story that researched how they're now using AI to generate fake music to avoid paying artists even further. Could you source this, please? I've missed it. > There's mountains of evidence that shows how they regularly fleece artists. 70+% of revenue goes to pay licences, a lot of artists have bad deals with their labels and get shafted from that revenue, deals like labels taking 50-70% of the licencing deals, historically it has been extremely common for labels to shafts artists, way before the internet age.
dakial1 3y ago
That is quite a niche thing to be angry about...
- rekoil 3y ago
  It is an infuriating state of affairs. Ironically, if the Apple ecosystem wasn't so locked down the open source community would have solved this issue by now.
- daaaaaaan 3y ago
  I don't disagree, but it was enough for me to cancel my membership and just move to Apple Music
jwells89 3y ago
Or with how they shut out third party clients for paid customers by deprecating libspotify without ever providing a playback-capable replacement (despite promises otherwise). I’m sure paid Spotify users would like freedom of choice just as much as the Apple customers they’re supposedly advocating for. Until they address this, as well as support for devices that aren’t Spotify Connect™ devices (like HomePods), they’re being hypocritical.
- rekoil 3y ago
  It is shitty they killed libspotify, but it isn't hard to reverse engineer the way the app communicates with the backend, this has already happened in the form of https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot as an example. And if Apples ecosystem wasn't so locked down I could write a HomePod client using librespot and Daniel Ek could get however mad he wants about it.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    librespot is a fine piece of engineering, but because it’s reverse engineered there’s a risk of getting banned for using it, which a lot of people aren’t going to want to take a chance on. It also means that apps built on it can’t promote themselves too much or gain wide usage without risk of Spotify coming after the app’s developer and/or librespot.
    - rekoil 3y ago
      "Just" make the implementation imitate some old Spotify Connect hardware that isn't being updated anymore and it would be near impossible for Spotify to realistically tell the difference. Sure, people would still worry about using such software, but from an engineering standpoint, unless there's a signed Spotify Connect chip that for some reason can't be emulated, there isn't much Spotify can do to detect well-implemented reverse engineered API clients. Not something you throw together in a day obviously, but definitely not impossible.
      - 3y ago

I no longer trust anything Spotify says after they fought so hard to get support for home pod actions, Apple added those and years later they haven't bothered to implement that OR airplay 2.

jeppester 3y ago

If you stop trusting companies after they've done one bad thing, which companies do you feel like you can trust?

Vermyndax 3y ago
If you think Spotify has only done one bad thing, you're delusional. There's mountains of evidence that shows how they regularly fleece artists. Just last week this site hosted a story that researched how they're now using AI to generate fake music to avoid paying artists even further. They pay a fortune to Joe Rogan, a man who is willfully destroying the country by spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories. This company is responsible for so, so much damage.
- malermeister 3y ago
  "The country?"
- jeppester 3y ago
  I don't doubt that, but for all major companies you'll be able to find a long list of bad things they did.
- tomp 3y ago
  > misinformation and conspiracy theories Do people still fall for this FUD? If you have actual arguments, please list them. Otherwise don't insinuate with far-left dog whistles.
  - pixxel 3y ago
    They never backup their group think.
- piva00 3y ago
  > Just last week this site hosted a story that researched how they're now using AI to generate fake music to avoid paying artists even further. Could you source this, please? I've missed it. > There's mountains of evidence that shows how they regularly fleece artists. 70+% of revenue goes to pay licences, a lot of artists have bad deals with their labels and get shafted from that revenue, deals like labels taking 50-70% of the licencing deals, historically it has been extremely common for labels to shafts artists, way before the internet age.

dakial1 3y ago

That is quite a niche thing to be angry about...

rekoil 3y ago
It is an infuriating state of affairs. Ironically, if the Apple ecosystem wasn't so locked down the open source community would have solved this issue by now.
daaaaaaan 3y ago
I don't disagree, but it was enough for me to cancel my membership and just move to Apple Music

jwells89 3y ago

Or with how they shut out third party clients for paid customers by deprecating libspotify without ever providing a playback-capable replacement (despite promises otherwise). I’m sure paid Spotify users would like freedom of choice just as much as the Apple customers they’re supposedly advocating for. Until they address this, as well as support for devices that aren’t Spotify Connect™ devices (like HomePods), they’re being hypocritical.

rekoil 3y ago
It is shitty they killed libspotify, but it isn't hard to reverse engineer the way the app communicates with the backend, this has already happened in the form of https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot https://github.com/librespot-org/librespot as an example. And if Apples ecosystem wasn't so locked down I could write a HomePod client using librespot and Daniel Ek could get however mad he wants about it.
- jwells89 3y ago
  librespot is a fine piece of engineering, but because it’s reverse engineered there’s a risk of getting banned for using it, which a lot of people aren’t going to want to take a chance on. It also means that apps built on it can’t promote themselves too much or gain wide usage without risk of Spotify coming after the app’s developer and/or librespot.
  - rekoil 3y ago
    "Just" make the implementation imitate some old Spotify Connect hardware that isn't being updated anymore and it would be near impossible for Spotify to realistically tell the difference. Sure, people would still worry about using such software, but from an engineering standpoint, unless there's a signed Spotify Connect chip that for some reason can't be emulated, there isn't much Spotify can do to detect well-implemented reverse engineered API clients. Not something you throw together in a day obviously, but definitely not impossible.
    - 3y ago