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Yes, they are. If they weren't you wouldn't care if someone made more than $15M.

yellowapple 3y ago
Is watching those around you starve/freeze to death due to having $0 (or less!) not a reason to care about whether some people make more than $15M? How many people could that hoarded wealth have housed and clothed and fed?
- germandiago 3y ago
  I think that is a wrong perspective. Of course many people care about that. The problem is that by looting rich people you will not end up with the problem. In fact, you can make the problem much bigger mid-term by killing incentives and making people into poverty... Cuba or Venezuela were richer than Spain in the 50s just to give you a couple of examples. And Venezuela has natural resources. What happened? Well, yes, this kind of: let's take everything from the others and give to the poor.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    > I think that is a wrong perspective. It's the only perspective that matters. > In fact, you can make the problem mich bigger mid-term by killing incentives and making people into poverty... Being limited to $15 million is a far cry from "killing incentives and making people into poverty".
  - vonjuice 3y ago
    > What happened? Um, the US?
  - thiagoharry 3y ago
    > Cuba or Venezuela were richer than Spain in the 50s just to give you a couple of examples. And Venezuela has natural resources. Sorry, I checked GDP per capita charts, and it appears that Cuba was not richer than Spain in 50s. It would be implausible that a small country with little natural resources would become richer than the country that colonized it in so little time. And Venezuela become poorer than Spain in 1982. So it had no relation with "take everything from the others and give to the poor". Counterpoint for your argument: outside the west, between non-alignment countries, only places where marxist-leninist revolutions happened produced powers that were able to seriously compete with the west. For example, URSS and China.
    - germandiago 3y ago
      I never talked about GDP. I meant per capita. How people lived. I can tell you because many spanish families emigrated there. I know cases from friends whose parents are from those countries. I am spanish and it was common knowledge that those places had higher income at that time.
- MightyBuzzard 3y ago
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medo-bear 3y ago
If someone makes the grand claim that something is a basic (fundamental) human trait, the burden of proof is on them.

Is watching those around you starve/freeze to death due to having $0 (or less!) not a reason to care about whether some people make more than $15M? How many people could that hoarded wealth have housed and clothed and fed?

germandiago 3y ago
I think that is a wrong perspective. Of course many people care about that. The problem is that by looting rich people you will not end up with the problem. In fact, you can make the problem much bigger mid-term by killing incentives and making people into poverty... Cuba or Venezuela were richer than Spain in the 50s just to give you a couple of examples. And Venezuela has natural resources. What happened? Well, yes, this kind of: let's take everything from the others and give to the poor.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  > I think that is a wrong perspective. It's the only perspective that matters. > In fact, you can make the problem mich bigger mid-term by killing incentives and making people into poverty... Being limited to $15 million is a far cry from "killing incentives and making people into poverty".
- vonjuice 3y ago
  > What happened? Um, the US?
- thiagoharry 3y ago
  > Cuba or Venezuela were richer than Spain in the 50s just to give you a couple of examples. And Venezuela has natural resources. Sorry, I checked GDP per capita charts, and it appears that Cuba was not richer than Spain in 50s. It would be implausible that a small country with little natural resources would become richer than the country that colonized it in so little time. And Venezuela become poorer than Spain in 1982. So it had no relation with "take everything from the others and give to the poor". Counterpoint for your argument: outside the west, between non-alignment countries, only places where marxist-leninist revolutions happened produced powers that were able to seriously compete with the west. For example, URSS and China.
  - germandiago 3y ago
    I never talked about GDP. I meant per capita. How people lived. I can tell you because many spanish families emigrated there. I know cases from friends whose parents are from those countries. I am spanish and it was common knowledge that those places had higher income at that time.
MightyBuzzard 3y ago
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medo-bear 3y ago

If someone makes the grand claim that something is a basic (fundamental) human trait, the burden of proof is on them.