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> but they make native apps for everything else. They do. But it's difficult to call anything they make "smooth." Google does some decent backend stuff but the

> but they make native apps for everything else. They do. But it's difficult to call anything they make "smooth." Google does some decent backend stuff but their frontend experience is not.

jack_pp 3y ago
the android youtube / music app is much better than any other audio / video app i have including spotify, netflix
- Mindwipe 3y ago
  Come on. The YouTube Music app blocks you from navigating to a different song at the same time as playing a track if it decides that the track is primarily aimed at under 18s (such as the theme from a retro cartoon). It's UI might charitably be described as a total catastrophe.
  - heapoverflow 3y ago
    That is a COPPA compliance thing and is true on the regular YouTube app as well: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/30/why-youtube-videos-made-for-kids-wont-play-in-the-miniplayer-a-summary-of-coppa-compliance/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/30/why-youtube-videos-...
  - jack_pp 3y ago
    Well compare that to Spotify which can only show videos full screen in one orientation and needs to be force stopped constantly because podcasts block a lot. Also, I never encountered the problem you complain about.
echelon 3y ago
Everything Google does in their own ecosystem is smooth.
- unobatbayar 3y ago
  Not as smooth as Apple.
  - ricardobeat 3y ago
    I don’t know if that’s still true. The Music app is still sluggish, Notes has poor UX, almost every built-in app has a better third-party replacement. It has been downhill since iOS 7.
    - SSLy 3y ago
      What the replacements for contacts and clock would be?
      - ricardobeat 3y ago
        Contacts+ and Cardhop are two. To be fair the clock app is a lot better since they introduced the sleep schedule, but I used to have a separate alarm app, and still use Sleepytime to calculate wake up times.
    - lawgimenez 3y ago
      What's so poor about Apple Notes? It's my most used app. Just curious.
    - Gorbzel 3y ago
      And in all 3 cases, the Google equivalents are worse. History shows they’ll probably just be replaced with a different product to solve the same problem which will be worse in its own ways. Subjective, but I use both Android and iOS daily. Interesting byproduct of Android being the favorite of those obsessed with customization is that the stock apps are almost universally bad because everyone just replaces them with different niche alternatives.
    - tiltowait 3y ago
      Has it ever been the case that the built-in apps are the best in their category? Should it be the case? Apple's strategy seems to be to make a simple offering that appeals to most people, and to leave the advanced/special/power features to third-party developers. I think that's a pretty healthy arrangement, though I bet many devs would prefer Apple not offer defaults in some categories at all.

> but they make native apps for everything else. They do. But it's difficult to call anything they make "smooth." Google does some decent backend stuff but their frontend experience is not.

jack_pp 3y ago

the android youtube / music app is much better than any other audio / video app i have including spotify, netflix

Mindwipe 3y ago
Come on. The YouTube Music app blocks you from navigating to a different song at the same time as playing a track if it decides that the track is primarily aimed at under 18s (such as the theme from a retro cartoon). It's UI might charitably be described as a total catastrophe.
- heapoverflow 3y ago
  That is a COPPA compliance thing and is true on the regular YouTube app as well: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/30/why-youtube-videos-made-for-kids-wont-play-in-the-miniplayer-a-summary-of-coppa-compliance/ https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/01/30/why-youtube-videos-...
- jack_pp 3y ago
  Well compare that to Spotify which can only show videos full screen in one orientation and needs to be force stopped constantly because podcasts block a lot. Also, I never encountered the problem you complain about.

echelon 3y ago

Everything Google does in their own ecosystem is smooth.

unobatbayar 3y ago
Not as smooth as Apple.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  I don’t know if that’s still true. The Music app is still sluggish, Notes has poor UX, almost every built-in app has a better third-party replacement. It has been downhill since iOS 7.
  - SSLy 3y ago
    What the replacements for contacts and clock would be?
    - ricardobeat 3y ago
      Contacts+ and Cardhop are two. To be fair the clock app is a lot better since they introduced the sleep schedule, but I used to have a separate alarm app, and still use Sleepytime to calculate wake up times.
  - lawgimenez 3y ago
    What's so poor about Apple Notes? It's my most used app. Just curious.
  - Gorbzel 3y ago
    And in all 3 cases, the Google equivalents are worse. History shows they’ll probably just be replaced with a different product to solve the same problem which will be worse in its own ways. Subjective, but I use both Android and iOS daily. Interesting byproduct of Android being the favorite of those obsessed with customization is that the stock apps are almost universally bad because everyone just replaces them with different niche alternatives.
  - tiltowait 3y ago
    Has it ever been the case that the built-in apps are the best in their category? Should it be the case? Apple's strategy seems to be to make a simple offering that appeals to most people, and to leave the advanced/special/power features to third-party developers. I think that's a pretty healthy arrangement, though I bet many devs would prefer Apple not offer defaults in some categories at all.