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So what??? If my neighbour murdered children would that be mitigated by a serial killer in the next town over? Do people really have this much cognitive disson

So what??? If my neighbour murdered children would that be mitigated by a serial killer in the next town over? Do people really have this much cognitive dissonance that they lose the ability to think? Like how much delusion do you have to be under to even say the above and think it makes it better for Catholics. Even one priest raping a child under the protection of the church is entirely unacceptable.

ImJamal 3y ago
Nobody is saying it is acceptable. The problem is every time the Church is brought up somebody has to talk about the abuse/cover up regardless of the topic. It is completely irrelevant to this thread. Nobody does this with public schools. If people always brought up the abuse and cover ups by teachers and unions regardless of the topic they would be down voted and told it is not relevant to the topic. If people actually cared about making abuse and coverups known they would bring it up every thread schools are brought up. Instead they only do it with the Church. It is almost as if they just want to attack the Church and ignore it in their own preferred abusive institutions.
- monkeynotes 3y ago
  Check the comment this is spawned from. The comment elicited all of this by saying there are misconceptions about the church. I still don't get what the problem is. What does the asymmetric treatment between schools and church abuse have to do with the facts? > If people actually cared about making abuse and coverups known they would bring it up every thread schools are brought up. So you are saying I don't actually care about the abuse coverups? You think I have another agenda? You have a sick mind. > It is almost as if they just want to attack the Church and ignore it in their own preferred abusive institutions. It's not that, at all. Shame on you for trying to reframe it as such.
  - ImJamal 3y ago
    >I still don't get what the problem is. What does the asymmetric treatment between schools and church abuse have to do with the facts? Nothing. >So you are saying I don't actually care about the abuse coverups? You think I have another agenda? You have a sick mind I don't know what you believe. I think if somebody is willing to randomly (completely unrelated to to the topic) bring up abuse by the Church in every thread, but is not willing to do the same thing for schools it shows they have a bias. I have no issue accepting that abuse has happened in the Church and it is despicable. My issue is nobody seems to care about the much larger abuse problem in schools. >It's not that, at all. Shame on you for trying to reframe it as such. Please explain the asymmetric treatment if it is not because people on HN in general don't like the Church, while they do like public schools.
    - monkeynotes 3y ago
      You should read the comments. The top comment I am replying to specifically opens the door on this stuff. They challenged that people have "misconceptions", I am showing how those concepts that are held about the church are actually very real and substantiated. > Please explain the asymmetric treatment if it is not because people on HN in general don't like the Church, while they do like public schools. When you find a post on HN that talks about public schools maybe this topic will open up there too, and you can have your day there. > people on HN in general don't like the Church I don't like psychopaths either, and for good reason. I don't like the Church because of what it has enabled, the lies, the hypocrisy, and so on. You are trying to frame it as HN folks have a hard on for going after the church for no good reason. Well, lots of reasons have been listed once the OP basically said "there is no good reason to object to the church, it's all misconceptions. Lol. > My issue is nobody seems to care about the much larger abuse problem in schools. This isn't true. You just happened to come to a comment section that is talking specifically about the church and you are mad because it's not talking about what you want to talk about. Why not go post a tech story about schools, and then find someone challenging misconceptions about schools. These comments aren't trying to nefariously undermine the problem in schools, that's just you being frustrated, or whatever is motivating you to get mad.

ImJamal 3y ago

Nobody is saying it is acceptable. The problem is every time the Church is brought up somebody has to talk about the abuse/cover up regardless of the topic. It is completely irrelevant to this thread. Nobody does this with public schools. If people always brought up the abuse and cover ups by teachers and unions regardless of the topic they would be down voted and told it is not relevant to the topic. If people actually cared about making abuse and coverups known they would bring it up every thread schools are brought up. Instead they only do it with the Church. It is almost as if they just want to attack the Church and ignore it in their own preferred abusive institutions.

monkeynotes 3y ago
Check the comment this is spawned from. The comment elicited all of this by saying there are misconceptions about the church. I still don't get what the problem is. What does the asymmetric treatment between schools and church abuse have to do with the facts? > If people actually cared about making abuse and coverups known they would bring it up every thread schools are brought up. So you are saying I don't actually care about the abuse coverups? You think I have another agenda? You have a sick mind. > It is almost as if they just want to attack the Church and ignore it in their own preferred abusive institutions. It's not that, at all. Shame on you for trying to reframe it as such.
- ImJamal 3y ago
  >I still don't get what the problem is. What does the asymmetric treatment between schools and church abuse have to do with the facts? Nothing. >So you are saying I don't actually care about the abuse coverups? You think I have another agenda? You have a sick mind I don't know what you believe. I think if somebody is willing to randomly (completely unrelated to to the topic) bring up abuse by the Church in every thread, but is not willing to do the same thing for schools it shows they have a bias. I have no issue accepting that abuse has happened in the Church and it is despicable. My issue is nobody seems to care about the much larger abuse problem in schools. >It's not that, at all. Shame on you for trying to reframe it as such. Please explain the asymmetric treatment if it is not because people on HN in general don't like the Church, while they do like public schools.
  - monkeynotes 3y ago
    You should read the comments. The top comment I am replying to specifically opens the door on this stuff. They challenged that people have "misconceptions", I am showing how those concepts that are held about the church are actually very real and substantiated. > Please explain the asymmetric treatment if it is not because people on HN in general don't like the Church, while they do like public schools. When you find a post on HN that talks about public schools maybe this topic will open up there too, and you can have your day there. > people on HN in general don't like the Church I don't like psychopaths either, and for good reason. I don't like the Church because of what it has enabled, the lies, the hypocrisy, and so on. You are trying to frame it as HN folks have a hard on for going after the church for no good reason. Well, lots of reasons have been listed once the OP basically said "there is no good reason to object to the church, it's all misconceptions. Lol. > My issue is nobody seems to care about the much larger abuse problem in schools. This isn't true. You just happened to come to a comment section that is talking specifically about the church and you are mad because it's not talking about what you want to talk about. Why not go post a tech story about schools, and then find someone challenging misconceptions about schools. These comments aren't trying to nefariously undermine the problem in schools, that's just you being frustrated, or whatever is motivating you to get mad.