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>the cost to society of trips by car is close to one euro per kilometre I would like to understand what this means. I don't have any idea if it's accurate or

by vba616 3y ago

>the cost to society of trips by car is close to one euro per kilometre I would like to understand what this means. I don't have any idea if it's accurate or not but the implications make me think it requires some explanation. If the true cost of travel by car is about one euro (currently $1.08?) per km, then - using ~4.7L / 100 km mileage of my car - by my arithmetic gas should cost on the order of 20 euros per liter to internalize the costs to society. Some very brief research indicates to me that Danes price gas in DKK, but converted it's around 2 euros a liter. So is Danish gas underpriced by as much as 10 times?

eesmith 3y ago
I think the mentioned report is "Transport transitions in Copenhagen: Comparing the cost of cars and bicycles" at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800915000907 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092180091... Along these lines, in a less scholarly form: "Cost-benefit of cycling infrastructure" - https://cyclingsolutions.info/cost-benefit-of-cycling-infrastructure/ https://cyclingsolutions.info/cost-benefit-of-cycling-infras... "Making the Economic Case for Cycling" - https://www.itdp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CC_MAKING-THE-ECONOMIC-CASE-FOR-CYCLING-2022_JUNE11.pdf https://www.itdp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CC_MAKING-TH... A related paper is "The social cost of automobility, cycling and walking in the European Union", https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921800918308097 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09218... That paper has a YouTube version on the CityNerd channel, "Cars Are A Disaster For Society -- Here Are the Numbers " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp75-46PnMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp75-46PnMY
- vba616 3y ago
  Thank you for all those links. I trust you that they support the "€1 / km" figure.
  - eesmith 3y ago
    If you don't bother to make even a quick scan then I question your earlier statement that you "would like to understand what this means".
    - vba616 3y ago
      You misunderstood my comment, if you think I was asking for a reference for 1 euro/km. The question is whether 20 euros per liter is obviously looney tunes to any HN passers-by. Or if "everyone" knows it is in fact what gasoline should cost. [Edited for clarity]
      - eesmith 3y ago
        It's obviously looney tunes because many of the overall costs - insurance, noise pollution, car depreciation, the societal cost of road building and maintenance, etc. - also apply to electric vehicles.

by vba616 3y ago

eesmith 3y ago

I think the mentioned report is "Transport transitions in Copenhagen: Comparing the cost of cars and bicycles" at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800915000907 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092180091... Along these lines, in a less scholarly form: "Cost-benefit of cycling infrastructure" - https://cyclingsolutions.info/cost-benefit-of-cycling-infrastructure/ https://cyclingsolutions.info/cost-benefit-of-cycling-infras... "Making the Economic Case for Cycling" - https://www.itdp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CC_MAKING-THE-ECONOMIC-CASE-FOR-CYCLING-2022_JUNE11.pdf https://www.itdp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CC_MAKING-TH... A related paper is "The social cost of automobility, cycling and walking in the European Union", https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921800918308097 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09218... That paper has a YouTube version on the CityNerd channel, "Cars Are A Disaster For Society -- Here Are the Numbers " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp75-46PnMY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp75-46PnMY

vba616 3y ago
Thank you for all those links. I trust you that they support the "€1 / km" figure.
- eesmith 3y ago
  If you don't bother to make even a quick scan then I question your earlier statement that you "would like to understand what this means".
  - vba616 3y ago
    You misunderstood my comment, if you think I was asking for a reference for 1 euro/km. The question is whether 20 euros per liter is obviously looney tunes to any HN passers-by. Or if "everyone" knows it is in fact what gasoline should cost. [Edited for clarity]
    - eesmith 3y ago
      It's obviously looney tunes because many of the overall costs - insurance, noise pollution, car depreciation, the societal cost of road building and maintenance, etc. - also apply to electric vehicles.