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Oh no my hero is suffering. Anyways.

worksonmine 3y ago
I bet he once was your hero and you praised him. Until you realized he had opinions you didn't share so now it's your part time job to make sure everyone knows exactly how much you hate him. Am I close?
- hbarka 3y ago
  At what point is “he had opinions” turn to “ugh this guy does awful things”?
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    He always made gambles. But electric cars and space travel was cool, breaking up a safe space not so much apparently. I still remember the hipsters spinning their fidget spinners, swiping their iphones and discussing Musks latest endeavour like it was yesterday. Granted I don't follow his every move so I'm out of the loop, but what objectively awful things has he done? I have plenty of opinions about many people, but none to the point we see some people hate Musk. Edit: instead of downvoting, argue your points cowards.
    - hbarka 3y ago
      Where have you been? 1. “He admitted to his biographer that the reason the Hyperloop was announced—even though he had no intention of pursuing it—was to try to disrupt the California high-speed rail project”. (In hindsight Hyperloop looks like a sick joke.) 2. Buying SolarCity to save first-cousin, at loss to Tesla shareholder value and broken commitments to solar customers. Staged it as value-added move. 3. Taking-Tesla-Private impulsive outburst. Turned out to be untrue, billions in shareholder value lost overnight. 4. Full Self Driving ten years of promises and customers who prepaid not refunded. 5. Outright malice to innocents who challenged his ego. See British explorer pedo comment and trashing of that guy. 6. His son/his dad 7. Battery capacity hyping More… The pattern has to do with integrity and character as an example for such a wealthy and revered person.
      - worksonmine 3y ago
        To me all your points fall between normal business practices to biased misunderstandings. You claim he does "awful things" which explains why he gets more hate than other super rich. I'll give my views on each of them: 1. I did a search and looked into this, and it seems like a bad faith misrepresentation of what he said in his biography. I don't have a copy and am not going to invest too much time into a HN comment, but that's my take. 2: I need more knowledge on this to get a real opinion. Solar was all the rage and I'm not against companies investing laterally, even if there's nepotism. I would be more likely to invest in my friends than random people. CEOs make bad investments all the time, but I don't know enough to have an opinion if it was. 3. I didn't find anything about billions lost, only "Trading in Tesla shares was halted for more than 90 minutes, before resuming around 3:45 pm ET. They finished the day up 11 percent.", do you have more info? Who lost billions? Love the 420 reference, and he makes sound points. Being public is not always in the companies best interest. If he would have bought the shares above market price wouldn't that have been a fair deal? 4, 7. Show me more examples of optimistic estimates who get the same hate as Musk. Facebook/Meta for example, is Zuckerberg hated for the Metaverse not working out? No only ridiculed. In my book people are allowed to be wrong. He had better self-driving and more capacity than any competitor, you're just nit-picking for the sake of it. 5. Well, childish yes, but so was asking him to shove his sub up his ass. Don't start a fight you don't want to be involved in. Musk is eccentric and the response is in character, the fuck did he expect? 6. Elaborate, what about his son and dad? Musk is an eccentric troll and people used to love him for it. The hate only started as soon as he endorsed Trump and bought Twitter. To me he's exactly the same Musk as always, in many ways I can relate. I don't have his fuck you capital but I also don't care what people think and can enjoy seeing people get pissed over bullshit reasons. I don't think he's a bad person or does "awful things". Many times he makes total sense and has the balls to say what others should've years ago. That makes him dangerous to many people and they will find any means to take him down. That's how I see things, but I don't see people who disagree with me as evil.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Not the person you're replying to, but, you know, a lot of us have never been very impressed with him. The Muskovites are inclined to believe that everyone would be a cultist but for (reason), but this isn't necessarily the case. (This is a common form of broken thinking for cults in general; the cultist is so convinced of The Truth that they assume that non-cultists must only be resisting The Truth for a specific reason, not realising that to non-cultists The Truth is just fundamentally disconnected from reality.) I went from "ugh, this guy's pretty full-of-himself and bullshit-heavy" to "this guy's a loony" with the diver incident, but I was never particularly impressed with him beforehand. Like, even if he wasn't an unpleasant bigot, he still wouldn't be somebody that I'd be very keen on.

I bet he once was your hero and you praised him. Until you realized he had opinions you didn't share so now it's your part time job to make sure everyone knows exactly how much you hate him. Am I close?

hbarka 3y ago
At what point is “he had opinions” turn to “ugh this guy does awful things”?
- worksonmine 3y ago
  He always made gambles. But electric cars and space travel was cool, breaking up a safe space not so much apparently. I still remember the hipsters spinning their fidget spinners, swiping their iphones and discussing Musks latest endeavour like it was yesterday. Granted I don't follow his every move so I'm out of the loop, but what objectively awful things has he done? I have plenty of opinions about many people, but none to the point we see some people hate Musk. Edit: instead of downvoting, argue your points cowards.
  - hbarka 3y ago
    Where have you been? 1. “He admitted to his biographer that the reason the Hyperloop was announced—even though he had no intention of pursuing it—was to try to disrupt the California high-speed rail project”. (In hindsight Hyperloop looks like a sick joke.) 2. Buying SolarCity to save first-cousin, at loss to Tesla shareholder value and broken commitments to solar customers. Staged it as value-added move. 3. Taking-Tesla-Private impulsive outburst. Turned out to be untrue, billions in shareholder value lost overnight. 4. Full Self Driving ten years of promises and customers who prepaid not refunded. 5. Outright malice to innocents who challenged his ego. See British explorer pedo comment and trashing of that guy. 6. His son/his dad 7. Battery capacity hyping More… The pattern has to do with integrity and character as an example for such a wealthy and revered person.
    - worksonmine 3y ago
      To me all your points fall between normal business practices to biased misunderstandings. You claim he does "awful things" which explains why he gets more hate than other super rich. I'll give my views on each of them: 1. I did a search and looked into this, and it seems like a bad faith misrepresentation of what he said in his biography. I don't have a copy and am not going to invest too much time into a HN comment, but that's my take. 2: I need more knowledge on this to get a real opinion. Solar was all the rage and I'm not against companies investing laterally, even if there's nepotism. I would be more likely to invest in my friends than random people. CEOs make bad investments all the time, but I don't know enough to have an opinion if it was. 3. I didn't find anything about billions lost, only "Trading in Tesla shares was halted for more than 90 minutes, before resuming around 3:45 pm ET. They finished the day up 11 percent.", do you have more info? Who lost billions? Love the 420 reference, and he makes sound points. Being public is not always in the companies best interest. If he would have bought the shares above market price wouldn't that have been a fair deal? 4, 7. Show me more examples of optimistic estimates who get the same hate as Musk. Facebook/Meta for example, is Zuckerberg hated for the Metaverse not working out? No only ridiculed. In my book people are allowed to be wrong. He had better self-driving and more capacity than any competitor, you're just nit-picking for the sake of it. 5. Well, childish yes, but so was asking him to shove his sub up his ass. Don't start a fight you don't want to be involved in. Musk is eccentric and the response is in character, the fuck did he expect? 6. Elaborate, what about his son and dad? Musk is an eccentric troll and people used to love him for it. The hate only started as soon as he endorsed Trump and bought Twitter. To me he's exactly the same Musk as always, in many ways I can relate. I don't have his fuck you capital but I also don't care what people think and can enjoy seeing people get pissed over bullshit reasons. I don't think he's a bad person or does "awful things". Many times he makes total sense and has the balls to say what others should've years ago. That makes him dangerous to many people and they will find any means to take him down. That's how I see things, but I don't see people who disagree with me as evil.
rsynnott 3y ago
Not the person you're replying to, but, you know, a lot of us have never been very impressed with him. The Muskovites are inclined to believe that everyone would be a cultist but for (reason), but this isn't necessarily the case. (This is a common form of broken thinking for cults in general; the cultist is so convinced of The Truth that they assume that non-cultists must only be resisting The Truth for a specific reason, not realising that to non-cultists The Truth is just fundamentally disconnected from reality.) I went from "ugh, this guy's pretty full-of-himself and bullshit-heavy" to "this guy's a loony" with the diver incident, but I was never particularly impressed with him beforehand. Like, even if he wasn't an unpleasant bigot, he still wouldn't be somebody that I'd be very keen on.