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> Prime Minister Rishi Sunak suggested adult smokers trying to quit would still have access to alternatives like vapes under the proposals How does this work?

> Prime Minister Rishi Sunak suggested adult smokers trying to quit would still have access to alternatives like vapes under the proposals How does this work? So I have to talk to a doctor to get my Bubblegum Ice disposable?

deadlydose 3y ago
No, it just means you'll need to find a refillable version of your beloved Bubblegum Ice flavor... > The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging. ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.
- wolrah 3y ago
  > ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors. ...or flavors that someone arbitrarily decides are "marketed at children". I used to occasionally enjoy a clove cigarette until US regulators decided that all flavored cigarettes, except menthol, were targeting children and banned them. I also vaped nicotine for a year or two and loved the flavor variety, but regulators were making noise about taking the same approach there. I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield so I kinda faded out of that out of laziness and have no idea where the laws went. At the time I was hearing talk of the flavor juices being sold separately from unflavored nicotine liquid. Adults like things that taste good in the same way that they like cartoons and video games. Regulators all too often act like anything sweet and flavorful, bright and colorful, or just fun is inherently targeting children and it's incredibly frustrating.
  - ravetcofx 3y ago
    > " I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield " Imagine what that does a person's lungs
    - d1sxeyes 3y ago
      Go to any fast food restaurant and watch them clean the grills, and imagine what that does to a person's gut. I don't think anyone's arguing that vaping is better than not vaping in this thread, so your point is kind of falling on deaf ears. At some point you just have to accept that some people don't care about keeping their insides in good condition, or believe that the impact things have on their insides is not the same as they have on the environment, and let people do whatever they want with their own body.
      - Tanoc 3y ago
        Is that really a fair comparison though, considering the digestive system is far more robust and is supposed to be self-cleaning? Lungs can't even deal with dust kicked up by the weather as they'll fill with mucus and reduce your breathing capacity, meanwhile a stomach can process and eject even sand. I'd worry about things that challenge the delicate processes of the lungs before anything that challenges my digestive tract.
        d1sxeyes 3y ago
        I don't think that your lungs are permanently coated in vape goo. Eventually your lungs will also clean themselves out. It's not supposed to be a literal like-for-like comparison, more an illustration that people knowingly put things inside themselves that do them harm.
    - wolrah 3y ago
      > Imagine what that does a person's lungs That goo is propylene glycol, the main liquid component of most vape juices. It's also used in theatrical fog machines, which are generally considered safe to fill a room with and then let the general public wander around in. It's also used as a carrier for inhalable medications, including asthma inhalers, so medical professionals are OK with someone in respiratory distress inhaling it. Obviously neither of those use cases are directly comparable to someone who is heavily using a vape, especially a "cloud chaser" who is intentionally going after thick clouds, so there are certainly unknowns but there's not really any reason to expect it to be horrible. There have of course been issues with specific additives found in certain vape products turning out to be irritating or harmful but that's a very different matter from implying the whole concept is harmful. --- Of course inhaling anything that isn't either clean air or a medically validated mix of oxygen and inert gases is not ideal, but it's also worth remembering that these are primarily an alternative to smoking either cigarettes or weed. If someone who would otherwise be lighting some rolled up dried out plants on fire and inhaling the combustion products is instead getting the active ingredients they crave delivered by inhaling an aerosolized goo that's generally considered safe to inhale I'd say that's a firm positive.
  - IdiranVibe 3y ago
    FWIW even menthol cigarettes have been illegal in the UK for a couple of years now.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  Too bad the refillable/pods are much, much worse. I use Veev Now disposables because the pod version (Veev One) is just so much worse - in taste but also generally. It's much more "wet" than the disposable, makes me unable to use it. And the liquid from the pod version comes out into your mouth sometimes, never happened with the disposable. The disposable is not just the same thing, if you take it apart it's much more complicated than just liquid - there is a series of filters and there is no liquid storage, it's stored in some kind of sponge.

deadlydose 3y ago

No, it just means you'll need to find a refillable version of your beloved Bubblegum Ice flavor... > The latest changes would also introduce powers to stop refillable vapes being sold in a flavour marketed at children and to require that they be produced in plainer, less appealing packaging. ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors.

wolrah 3y ago
> ...provided it doesn't have an attractive label with pretty colors. ...or flavors that someone arbitrarily decides are "marketed at children". I used to occasionally enjoy a clove cigarette until US regulators decided that all flavored cigarettes, except menthol, were targeting children and banned them. I also vaped nicotine for a year or two and loved the flavor variety, but regulators were making noise about taking the same approach there. I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield so I kinda faded out of that out of laziness and have no idea where the laws went. At the time I was hearing talk of the flavor juices being sold separately from unflavored nicotine liquid. Adults like things that taste good in the same way that they like cartoons and video games. Regulators all too often act like anything sweet and flavorful, bright and colorful, or just fun is inherently targeting children and it's incredibly frustrating.
- ravetcofx 3y ago
  > " I got tired of cleaning the goo off my car windshield " Imagine what that does a person's lungs
  - d1sxeyes 3y ago
    Go to any fast food restaurant and watch them clean the grills, and imagine what that does to a person's gut. I don't think anyone's arguing that vaping is better than not vaping in this thread, so your point is kind of falling on deaf ears. At some point you just have to accept that some people don't care about keeping their insides in good condition, or believe that the impact things have on their insides is not the same as they have on the environment, and let people do whatever they want with their own body.
    - Tanoc 3y ago
      Is that really a fair comparison though, considering the digestive system is far more robust and is supposed to be self-cleaning? Lungs can't even deal with dust kicked up by the weather as they'll fill with mucus and reduce your breathing capacity, meanwhile a stomach can process and eject even sand. I'd worry about things that challenge the delicate processes of the lungs before anything that challenges my digestive tract.
      - d1sxeyes 3y ago
        I don't think that your lungs are permanently coated in vape goo. Eventually your lungs will also clean themselves out. It's not supposed to be a literal like-for-like comparison, more an illustration that people knowingly put things inside themselves that do them harm.
  - wolrah 3y ago
    > Imagine what that does a person's lungs That goo is propylene glycol, the main liquid component of most vape juices. It's also used in theatrical fog machines, which are generally considered safe to fill a room with and then let the general public wander around in. It's also used as a carrier for inhalable medications, including asthma inhalers, so medical professionals are OK with someone in respiratory distress inhaling it. Obviously neither of those use cases are directly comparable to someone who is heavily using a vape, especially a "cloud chaser" who is intentionally going after thick clouds, so there are certainly unknowns but there's not really any reason to expect it to be horrible. There have of course been issues with specific additives found in certain vape products turning out to be irritating or harmful but that's a very different matter from implying the whole concept is harmful. --- Of course inhaling anything that isn't either clean air or a medically validated mix of oxygen and inert gases is not ideal, but it's also worth remembering that these are primarily an alternative to smoking either cigarettes or weed. If someone who would otherwise be lighting some rolled up dried out plants on fire and inhaling the combustion products is instead getting the active ingredients they crave delivered by inhaling an aerosolized goo that's generally considered safe to inhale I'd say that's a firm positive.
- IdiranVibe 3y ago
  FWIW even menthol cigarettes have been illegal in the UK for a couple of years now.
throwaway11460 3y ago
Too bad the refillable/pods are much, much worse. I use Veev Now disposables because the pod version (Veev One) is just so much worse - in taste but also generally. It's much more "wet" than the disposable, makes me unable to use it. And the liquid from the pod version comes out into your mouth sometimes, never happened with the disposable. The disposable is not just the same thing, if you take it apart it's much more complicated than just liquid - there is a series of filters and there is no liquid storage, it's stored in some kind of sponge.