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There is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world rev
by throwaway8877 3y ago
There is necessarily no cross-links between all of them, but there is a link. If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive.
- pessimizer 3y ago"If you can't imagine" is a bad start. If you're imagining people obsessively dreaming about destroying you, and using the naive "blacks" to do it, you're about a millimeter away from joining the fight against "Judeo-Bolshevism."
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- hk__2 3y ago> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”?
- mhitza 3y agoBecause it was the counter culture, eg Black Panthers, youth communist parties
- throwaway8877 3y agoI take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. Obviously the notion of poets doesn't contain all of them like the ones who write rhymes for children but poetry has since Age of Enlightenment been a tool of political critique if not earlier. The same applies to philosophy. I'm hope that you for sure have heard of Marx. I also hope that you have learned about civil rights movement of the black people and Martin Luther King. So which one of all of the four has the support of a large superstate with an extensive spy network?
- throwaway8877 3y agoAnd what comes to McCarthy then he had every right to be extremely paranoid about the activities of Soviet Union in attempts to secretly influence American politics from the within. The work of American counter intelligence agencies is a clear proof of it. Recommended read https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/was-mccarthy-right-about-the-left/a0dc6726-e2fd-4a31-bcdd-5f352acbf5de/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1996/04/14/w...
- mistrial9 3y agono because a healthy politics does include alternative views. It is the unhealthy security mindset that becomes inflexible @! and does anyone now support the activity of Senator Joe McCarthy, honestly?
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- hk__2 3y ago> I take the most favorable interpretation and I presume that the young age is in play in such large ignorance. The US are just one of the 195 countries in the World; don’t assume that everyone on the Internet is 1- living in the US and/or 2- familiar with the US culture as if it were the center of the world.
- krapp 3y ago>How are Blacks, communists and poets “counter cultures”? You don't understand American culture at all if you can even ask this question sincerely.
- underlipton 3y agoIt truly does seem like it would be an easy thing to ascertain just from knowing about the existence of the Black National Anthem, the Communist Manifesto, and Howl. Then again, it's also characteristic of mainstream American culture to try to discourage people from acknowledging them.
- ericfr11 3y agoAmerican culture is, indeed, a mix of culture. It exists only thanks to external influences. Black culture is at the heart of American culture (jazz, soul, and more music), great athletes in the best team...
- throwaway8877 3y agoAnd it's good. The point was that part of it was clearly a counter culture in opposition of white dominated main culture. This is completely something that a state level adversary may attempt to infiltrate given an opportunity. And they tried and keep trying. A little recent refresher https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u-s-racial-divisions-long-before-2016-and-black-lives-matter https://www.npr.org/2017/10/30/560042987/russians-targeted-u...
- busterarm 3y agoOr perhaps they were born in the last twenty or so years. In America, today, Black culture IS culture and communism isn't viewed critically for the murderously-bad idea that it is. Most of the immigrants that fled here from communism are either old, boring or dead. Kids today rarely have the benefit of speaking to older folks who fled Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, the USSR and others. Instead they're following influencers on Twitch and Youtube who have extremely privileged lives speaking from ignorance about communism with no pushback.
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- saghm 3y ago> If you can't imagine that a state that is obsessively dreaming about the world revolution and has a wide spy network and large group of naive sympathisers doesn't try to infiltrate all the possible influential counter cultures then you are a little too naive. Being able to imagine something isn't concrete proof that it exists. "There's a first time for everything" isn't literally true; plenty of totally plausible things don't end up happening.
- Kamq 3y agoI mean, that's kinda fair. But it's also a much lower bar to suspect that a group might be infiltrated when we're talking about an entity with a proven track-record of infiltrating and espionage. Doubly so during the cold war, when this kind of thing was normalized. I also wouldn't be that surprised if you told me the CIA managed to infiltrate some philosophy group. Hell, they funded Jackson Pollock.
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- avgcorrection 3y agoOkay, I can imagine it. Mission accomplished? Using public French intellectuals who dabble in socialism to plot the assassination of an American president would be the dumbest thing imaginable. (If that is what the topic is about? The submitted article is awfully vague about what the McCharthian fears were even about.)