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Pokémon (most of them) have pretty good writing. Planescape Torment has ok “endcap of the airport bookstore fantasy shelf” writing. You’re making exactly the mi

Pokémon (most of them) have pretty good writing. Planescape Torment has ok “endcap of the airport bookstore fantasy shelf” writing. You’re making exactly the mistake I’m talking about. (Even narrative-heavy FPSs like Bioshock have an order of magnitude less writing than most RPGs.)

corethree 3y ago
You've got to be joking. Pokemon has better writing then planescape torment or "endcap of airport fantasy shelf" writing? This isn't a mistake I'm making. Less writing isn't better writing and more writing isn't better writing either. I think you're one of those people who just likes things extremely plain. Basic text that's less wordy is usually an example of bad writing imo. This kind of writing is good for research papers but for stories it's not a good thing. Anyway here's an example of the "good writing" you're talking about in pokemon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxeU3WwbaqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxeU3WwbaqQ Most people would disagree with you and agree with me. All the writing in there is pure garbage. I don't understand how you can call that "good" other then if you have a preference for simple sentences.
- morelisp 3y ago
  Simple sentences are great for simple ideas. Most video games, including most RPGs, only have simple ideas. You appear to have linked to an anime. We’re discussing video games.
  - corethree 3y ago
    >You appear to have linked to an anime. We’re discussing video games. The anime is called Pokemon. This is the source material for which all the Pokemon games are derived from and strive to imitate in style. Any writing in a video game on Pokemon is equivalent (or worse) in quality and style to the original anime which all Pokemon games are based on. >Simple sentences are great for simple ideas. Most video games, including most RPGs, only have simple ideas. Writing isn't only about ideas. That's what research is about. Presenting facts, figures, results and ideas. For stories there needs to more irrational fluff. The writing needs to be immersive, emotive and vivid, eloquent, etc. Most people would agree with me on this matter. I would say you're the one who has a different preference here.
    - morelisp 3y ago
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      - corethree 3y ago
        Pokemon is an anime. Video games and the card game are derivatives of the anime. I linked to the anime as an example of the writing to prove you wrong. The anime is childish and the games reflect that in the writing. Maybe you're too young to know this. The anime just had its last episode 2023. It's been around for 25 years. Or maybe you're trolling. Pikachu is literally in that video. The information is quite obvious.
        morelisp 3y ago
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        corethree 3y ago
        I'm fine. A bit rude to ask that it implies as if something is wrong with me. If it's trivially disproveable then just trivially write out the proof. No need to comment on the fact. >Well, yes, but childish isn’t a synonym for poor quality. At a pedantic level yes they aren't synonyms. But any reasonable person knows writing is dumbed down and made worse in order for children to understand and follow. It's not just the writing, but the plot line and everything else is made worse and simplistic. This is your thing. You equate simplistic to good writing. Most people would consider this completely orthogonal to good writing. A simplistic plot can be expressed in a silent film with absolutely no writing. See those Pixar shorts. But in those cases writing doesn't even exist, writing isn't even part of the equation, but I feel that is what you label as "good writing" and what your main point is about.
        dang 3y ago
        You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines in comments repeatedly lately, such as by crossing into personal attack here. As another example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39141487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39141487 was particularly bad—you can't post like that to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Ditto for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39066809 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39066809. We have to ban accounts that keep breaking HN's rules like this. I don't want to ban you, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the intended spirit, we'd be grateful.

corethree 3y ago

You've got to be joking. Pokemon has better writing then planescape torment or "endcap of airport fantasy shelf" writing? This isn't a mistake I'm making. Less writing isn't better writing and more writing isn't better writing either. I think you're one of those people who just likes things extremely plain. Basic text that's less wordy is usually an example of bad writing imo. This kind of writing is good for research papers but for stories it's not a good thing. Anyway here's an example of the "good writing" you're talking about in pokemon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxeU3WwbaqQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxeU3WwbaqQ Most people would disagree with you and agree with me. All the writing in there is pure garbage. I don't understand how you can call that "good" other then if you have a preference for simple sentences.

morelisp 3y ago
Simple sentences are great for simple ideas. Most video games, including most RPGs, only have simple ideas. You appear to have linked to an anime. We’re discussing video games.
- corethree 3y ago
  >You appear to have linked to an anime. We’re discussing video games. The anime is called Pokemon. This is the source material for which all the Pokemon games are derived from and strive to imitate in style. Any writing in a video game on Pokemon is equivalent (or worse) in quality and style to the original anime which all Pokemon games are based on. >Simple sentences are great for simple ideas. Most video games, including most RPGs, only have simple ideas. Writing isn't only about ideas. That's what research is about. Presenting facts, figures, results and ideas. For stories there needs to more irrational fluff. The writing needs to be immersive, emotive and vivid, eloquent, etc. Most people would agree with me on this matter. I would say you're the one who has a different preference here.
  - morelisp 3y ago
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    - corethree 3y ago
      Pokemon is an anime. Video games and the card game are derivatives of the anime. I linked to the anime as an example of the writing to prove you wrong. The anime is childish and the games reflect that in the writing. Maybe you're too young to know this. The anime just had its last episode 2023. It's been around for 25 years. Or maybe you're trolling. Pikachu is literally in that video. The information is quite obvious.
      - morelisp 3y ago
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        corethree 3y ago
        I'm fine. A bit rude to ask that it implies as if something is wrong with me. If it's trivially disproveable then just trivially write out the proof. No need to comment on the fact. >Well, yes, but childish isn’t a synonym for poor quality. At a pedantic level yes they aren't synonyms. But any reasonable person knows writing is dumbed down and made worse in order for children to understand and follow. It's not just the writing, but the plot line and everything else is made worse and simplistic. This is your thing. You equate simplistic to good writing. Most people would consider this completely orthogonal to good writing. A simplistic plot can be expressed in a silent film with absolutely no writing. See those Pixar shorts. But in those cases writing doesn't even exist, writing isn't even part of the equation, but I feel that is what you label as "good writing" and what your main point is about.
        dang 3y ago
        You've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines in comments repeatedly lately, such as by crossing into personal attack here. As another example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39141487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39141487 was particularly bad—you can't post like that to HN, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Ditto for https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39066809 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39066809. We have to ban accounts that keep breaking HN's rules like this. I don't want to ban you, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the intended spirit, we'd be grateful.