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- Israel's own numbers say "2 civilians killed for every one militant"[1], that's 66% - 766 / 1200 = 63.8% Of course, the numbers claimed by other NGOs / UN m
by throwaway421967 3y ago
- Israel's own numbers say "2 civilians killed for every one militant"[1], that's 66%
- 766 / 1200 = 63.8%
Of course, the numbers claimed by other NGOs / UN make it worse. But Israel's numbers are sufficient to make that claim.
[1] - https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-military-civilian-ratio-killed-intl-hnk/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/middleeast/israel-hamas-m...
- slibhb 3y agoHamas can't go toe-to-toe with the IDF. They are hiding in tunnels and among civilians, so these ratios aren't surprising. To some extent, you can't blame Hamas for these tactics. They would quickly lose a conventional war. At the same time, if you have zero chance of winning a military victory, perhaps you shouldn't use violence to pursue your political goals...
- SomeoneFromCA 3y agoYes right, if israel is unable to fight conventional war, without massive disproportional amount of civil casualties, they should not probably engage in one.
- nvm0n2 3y agoThat wasn't their choice ...
- SomeoneFromCA 3y ago"No choice" is how all genocidaires justified their actions.
- dlubarov 3y agoWhat’s the alternative? Just no response and wait for Hamas' next attack?
- llamaLord 3y agoLooking at the historical data, that tends to be a pattern of urban warfare, not the IDF. Civilian/combatant fatality ratios of 3/1 are not uncommon in urban warfare.
- SomeoneFromCA 3y agoAs if we know how many Hamas fighters have been killed at the first place. According to the official stats there is like 259 IDF casualties during the land operation. Which means that death ratio is 30:1 wrt to supposed 8000 Hamas death.Laughable. Even then, military necessity of killing combatants, not actively particpating in the war is not justified. Yes, you can kill those, who is shooting the rockets at Tel-Aviv, but bombing willy-nilly all of Gaza just because there might be tunnels, where potential combatants might be hiding,. is not acceptable, although not am not an international law lawer.
- runarberg 3y agoWell, it is not acceptable, and it seems like the ICJ has, indeed, not accepted it.
- nashashmi 3y ago[flagged]
- runarberg 3y agoThen they shouldn’t. That’s the simple answer of it. If they want to get rid of Hamas they will need to find another way. This level of civilian casualty is unacceptable. And as proven by the ICJ decision, it is not accepted.