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The annoying thing about this is that it will ruin this feature for everyone else. I, and many others, use this for requesting to index time sensitive content.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
Yes and no. I mean, just because something gets indexed doesn't mean Google values it and is willing to expose its customers to it. The consistent problem with SEO is that most SEOs don't understand Google's business model. They don't understand Google is going to best serve its customers (i.e., those doing the search). SEOs (and their clients) need to understand that getting Google to index a turd isn't going to change the fact that the content and the experience i'ts wrapped in is still a turd. Google is not interested in pointing its customers to turds.
- dindobre 3y ago
  I'm not sure I agree that the people doing the search are the customers here
  - Sai_ 3y ago
    I’m really curious to know who exactly you think are Google Search’s customers in the context of this thread about SEO.
    - nurtbo 3y ago
      Advertisers?
      - mcny 3y ago
        but think logically for just a second, why would advertisers advertise their turd if they could just have their turd show up on the search results for free? For a turd sandwich to work, you have to wrap your turd (ads) with high quality results so people actually search on Google and then you can show them the turd along with the good stuff.
        tough 3y ago
        plenty of turds do show up on google search engines, ai generated copy pasted mumbo jumbo full of more google ads inpage somewhat google is happy to serve you turd they can double dip on
    - edf13 3y ago
      The advertisers
    - tough 3y ago
      People paying ads to show up on google's users search results are google's customers people using google's free services to see those google results that have gone to shit since the past 10 years or so, and also are full page of ads without ad blockers, are google's product, which is acquired through offering free product and services that hook those customers to stay hooked even through the enshittification that has proceeded on those since the web 2.0 golden era
    - BrandonMarc 3y ago
      Google Search's customers are companies who advertise on the SERPs. Google Search's users are people who do the searching. If a service is free to use, you are the product.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  For a company not interested in pointing their customers to turds, they sure do point them to a lot of turds.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    That's not what it wants to do. Yes, that is what's happening, for a number of reasons. Without people searching, there are no eye-balls. Put another way, the sites being indexed and ranked are *not* the customer(s).
- cynicalsecurity 3y ago
  SEO died many years ago, but some companies are still trying to sell their naive clients some magical "SEO optimisation". Which is plainly scam at this point.
  - adaboese 3y ago
    There are a ton of SEO optimizations that are extremely significant: * performance/SSR * interlinking/dead links * keyword cannibalization to name a few
    - lobsterthief 3y ago
      Definitely. In general, most parts of technical SEO remain important (one h1 tag, etc)
      - daswerth 3y ago
        Is there a trustworthy guide on this?
- jknoepfler 3y ago
  Eyeballs are not Google's customers, paying advertisers are Google's customers. If a paying customer gives Google money to point eyeballs to turds, it points eyeballs to turds (this is how Google makes money today, it is the business model for search). The problem with SEO isn't that it degrades search, it's that SEO users aren't paying customers and don't make Google any money (and compromises Google's ability to direct eyeballs to paying customers). This is classical "enshitification" - offer a service for free to capture eyeball share, then offer a paid service to companies that capitalizes on that eyeball share but compromises the "eyeball experience" (and then in the endgame, squeeze companies that become dependent upon the eyeball-platform to serve shareholders).
- solumunus 3y ago
  > Google is not interested in pointing its customers to turds. We must have been using a different Google over the past 3 years. It does this almost exclusively now.
  - water-your-self 3y ago
    Google is not interested in pointing its customers to a turd that hasn't paid for that right.

chiefalchemist 3y ago

Yes and no. I mean, just because something gets indexed doesn't mean Google values it and is willing to expose its customers to it. The consistent problem with SEO is that most SEOs don't understand Google's business model. They don't understand Google is going to best serve its customers (i.e., those doing the search). SEOs (and their clients) need to understand that getting Google to index a turd isn't going to change the fact that the content and the experience i'ts wrapped in is still a turd. Google is not interested in pointing its customers to turds.

dindobre 3y ago
I'm not sure I agree that the people doing the search are the customers here
- Sai_ 3y ago
  I’m really curious to know who exactly you think are Google Search’s customers in the context of this thread about SEO.
  - nurtbo 3y ago
    Advertisers?
    - mcny 3y ago
      but think logically for just a second, why would advertisers advertise their turd if they could just have their turd show up on the search results for free? For a turd sandwich to work, you have to wrap your turd (ads) with high quality results so people actually search on Google and then you can show them the turd along with the good stuff.
      - tough 3y ago
        plenty of turds do show up on google search engines, ai generated copy pasted mumbo jumbo full of more google ads inpage somewhat google is happy to serve you turd they can double dip on
  - edf13 3y ago
    The advertisers
  - tough 3y ago
    People paying ads to show up on google's users search results are google's customers people using google's free services to see those google results that have gone to shit since the past 10 years or so, and also are full page of ads without ad blockers, are google's product, which is acquired through offering free product and services that hook those customers to stay hooked even through the enshittification that has proceeded on those since the web 2.0 golden era
  - BrandonMarc 3y ago
    Google Search's customers are companies who advertise on the SERPs. Google Search's users are people who do the searching. If a service is free to use, you are the product.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
For a company not interested in pointing their customers to turds, they sure do point them to a lot of turds.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  That's not what it wants to do. Yes, that is what's happening, for a number of reasons. Without people searching, there are no eye-balls. Put another way, the sites being indexed and ranked are *not* the customer(s).
cynicalsecurity 3y ago
SEO died many years ago, but some companies are still trying to sell their naive clients some magical "SEO optimisation". Which is plainly scam at this point.
- adaboese 3y ago
  There are a ton of SEO optimizations that are extremely significant: * performance/SSR * interlinking/dead links * keyword cannibalization to name a few
  - lobsterthief 3y ago
    Definitely. In general, most parts of technical SEO remain important (one h1 tag, etc)
    - daswerth 3y ago
      Is there a trustworthy guide on this?
jknoepfler 3y ago
Eyeballs are not Google's customers, paying advertisers are Google's customers. If a paying customer gives Google money to point eyeballs to turds, it points eyeballs to turds (this is how Google makes money today, it is the business model for search). The problem with SEO isn't that it degrades search, it's that SEO users aren't paying customers and don't make Google any money (and compromises Google's ability to direct eyeballs to paying customers). This is classical "enshitification" - offer a service for free to capture eyeball share, then offer a paid service to companies that capitalizes on that eyeball share but compromises the "eyeball experience" (and then in the endgame, squeeze companies that become dependent upon the eyeball-platform to serve shareholders).
solumunus 3y ago
> Google is not interested in pointing its customers to turds. We must have been using a different Google over the past 3 years. It does this almost exclusively now.
- water-your-self 3y ago
  Google is not interested in pointing its customers to a turd that hasn't paid for that right.