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A few counterpoints: * If going by the article, price has decreased from €130 to €95, a significant reduction even if not accounting for inflation. * RAM has

A few counterpoints: * If going by the article, price has decreased from €130 to €95, a significant reduction even if not accounting for inflation. * RAM has doubled from 2GB to 4GB. * Per-core CPU performance has presumably increased considerably.

FeepingCreature 3y ago
Counter-counters: - GSM price check is extremely random and can basically be ignored. Afaict, the price is stable with inflation. - Agree on RAM. Still, a doubling over seven years is not exactly Moore pace anymore. - Checking on cpubenchmark.com, A53 vs A55 is like a 20% increase. The A75 is admittedly a nice step up.
- znpy 3y ago
  > - Agree on RAM. Still, a doubling over seven years is not exactly Moore pace anymore. RAM has been slowing down a lot in the last ~10 years. I had 16GB ram in my ThinkPad X220 ten years ago and the W520 could already get 32GB ram. Laptops with 128GB ram have been around for at least five years (workstation-class laptop). Why are computers still being shipped with 8GB ram (or less)? Why is 32GB a premium and not the bare minimum? A whole class of performance issues could be entirely avoided just by having enough ram.
  - fulladder 3y ago
    I agree that 8 GB of RAM seems weird these days. However, I bought an MB Air in 2022 with only 8 GB, and I can shed some light. My thought process was that I'm going to use this machine for just a very limited number of things and this would not become my daily driver. Therefore, I saw myself as buying merely a "smartphone with a larger screen," which is a category where I typically just buy the least expensive and lightest weight choice. The 8 GB has proven to be entirely adequate for my use case.
  - wolvesechoes 3y ago
    > Why is 32GB a premium and not the bare minimum? A whole class of performance issues could be entirely avoided just by having enough ram Yeah, throw more hardware at it!
    - znpy 3y ago
      I get your point and you’re largely right. But some software is largely unfixable (I’m thinking of mainstream software like windows and software commonly used) and more hardware is one of the least executed solutions actually

FeepingCreature 3y ago

Counter-counters: - GSM price check is extremely random and can basically be ignored. Afaict, the price is stable with inflation. - Agree on RAM. Still, a doubling over seven years is not exactly Moore pace anymore. - Checking on cpubenchmark.com, A53 vs A55 is like a 20% increase. The A75 is admittedly a nice step up.

znpy 3y ago
> - Agree on RAM. Still, a doubling over seven years is not exactly Moore pace anymore. RAM has been slowing down a lot in the last ~10 years. I had 16GB ram in my ThinkPad X220 ten years ago and the W520 could already get 32GB ram. Laptops with 128GB ram have been around for at least five years (workstation-class laptop). Why are computers still being shipped with 8GB ram (or less)? Why is 32GB a premium and not the bare minimum? A whole class of performance issues could be entirely avoided just by having enough ram.
- fulladder 3y ago
  I agree that 8 GB of RAM seems weird these days. However, I bought an MB Air in 2022 with only 8 GB, and I can shed some light. My thought process was that I'm going to use this machine for just a very limited number of things and this would not become my daily driver. Therefore, I saw myself as buying merely a "smartphone with a larger screen," which is a category where I typically just buy the least expensive and lightest weight choice. The 8 GB has proven to be entirely adequate for my use case.
- wolvesechoes 3y ago
  > Why is 32GB a premium and not the bare minimum? A whole class of performance issues could be entirely avoided just by having enough ram Yeah, throw more hardware at it!
  - znpy 3y ago
    I get your point and you’re largely right. But some software is largely unfixable (I’m thinking of mainstream software like windows and software commonly used) and more hardware is one of the least executed solutions actually