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No. Instead, I'm going to be excellent to my fellow people. I'm not going to sink to their level.

goosejuice 3y ago
I believe this is the way. That said, it might be a privilege to think this way. One can be nice to others and still play to a political advantage.
- crotchfire 3y ago
  Integrity is not a "privilege".
  - goosejuice 3y ago
    Indeed integrity isn't. You're misrepresentating my comment. Perhaps privilege is too much of a trigger word these days. Depending on ones economic situation, not playing the political game could mean being on the street, losing your kids, etc. In that sense, it can be a privilege offered to those with the financial freedom. This doesn't mean in any way that you can't do it with integrity.
demondemidi 3y ago
It's not about sinking, it is about a totally different skill set. There's no good/bad here, it just IS. Also, your statement implies you are "above" other people, which is so arrogant, it is almost like you are the people you despise.
ramraj07 3y ago
You can learn the politics and choose not to play it. It’s still useful to understand why people act the way they do and never be surprised by things that affect you.
spangry 3y ago
Admirable, but be aware that you are choosing to play 'co-operate' in a multi-agent prisoner's dilemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
- QuantumGood 3y ago
  The PD is the boiled down essence of politics: Give good will unless there is evidence of prior back-stabbing, in which case be the first to stab.
alecco 3y ago
In the past, I failed as a manager to protect the good-hearted and passionate people in my teams. The upper management were abusing them at every chance. And their competence and dedication only made them less likely to be promoted because it would take multiple people to do their job. The typical lifecycle is the CEO/CTO/Mids burn the good ones to the point they quit (and then they might offer doubling their salaries or something). This happens both in startups and large orgs. It seems like an unwritten rule in tech management. I'm no longer a tech manager.
chikitabanana 3y ago
Same here!

I believe this is the way. That said, it might be a privilege to think this way. One can be nice to others and still play to a political advantage.

crotchfire 3y ago
Integrity is not a "privilege".
- goosejuice 3y ago
  Indeed integrity isn't. You're misrepresentating my comment. Perhaps privilege is too much of a trigger word these days. Depending on ones economic situation, not playing the political game could mean being on the street, losing your kids, etc. In that sense, it can be a privilege offered to those with the financial freedom. This doesn't mean in any way that you can't do it with integrity.

demondemidi 3y ago

It's not about sinking, it is about a totally different skill set. There's no good/bad here, it just IS. Also, your statement implies you are "above" other people, which is so arrogant, it is almost like you are the people you despise.

ramraj07 3y ago

You can learn the politics and choose not to play it. It’s still useful to understand why people act the way they do and never be surprised by things that affect you.

spangry 3y ago

Admirable, but be aware that you are choosing to play 'co-operate' in a multi-agent prisoner's dilemma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

QuantumGood 3y ago
The PD is the boiled down essence of politics: Give good will unless there is evidence of prior back-stabbing, in which case be the first to stab.

alecco 3y ago

In the past, I failed as a manager to protect the good-hearted and passionate people in my teams. The upper management were abusing them at every chance. And their competence and dedication only made them less likely to be promoted because it would take multiple people to do their job. The typical lifecycle is the CEO/CTO/Mids burn the good ones to the point they quit (and then they might offer doubling their salaries or something). This happens both in startups and large orgs. It seems like an unwritten rule in tech management. I'm no longer a tech manager.

chikitabanana 3y ago

Same here!