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Aka cede de facto authority over international waters to a buncha thugs whose official slogan includes “death to America, death to Israel”. No thanks.

by bdhess 3y ago

raverbashing 3y ago
One thing that seems to be confirmed over and over is how people who come up with "just negotiate with them" seem to have a thinking process that does not span over a couple of days Funny how those people never seem to have any reservations to what hamas did, or any of the history of the past 20 yrs
- jedimind 3y ago
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  - raverbashing 3y ago
    Not without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence > like the perpetual ethnic-cleansing Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries
    - Incipient 3y ago
      Fwiw, I both sides are so bloodstained that neither is the right choice. The absolute bare minimum of a position is "I'm taking the less bad side" but I think both are so awful neither honestly viable to support on a social level (political is different)
      - jedimind 3y ago
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    - jedimind 3y ago
      > Not without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence Of course not, why on earth would anyone tolerate a bunch of invaders taking over their land? Zionists are really still making that argument as if it makes a lick of sense. No sane human would react otherwise. >Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries What came first? Exactly, Zionists started ethnic-cleansing Palestinians and IN RESPONSE their neighbors acted in kind, which by the way was exactly what Zionists wanted anyway. They wanted and needed as many jews in occupied Palestine as possible, so it was an emotional response from their neighbors that was a moral and strategic mistake.
      - Morte42 3y ago
        For Zionists that isnt just land, its the land they got from god after Moses freed them from Egypt and split the sea to get them out of there and then close the sea on the pursuing Egyptians. The point of reclaiming Zion is to ultimately reclaim Mount Temple to build the Final Temple and usher in the end of days and an eternity of paradise. One of the strange things with Israel is a lot of people that are pro Israel dont know anything about the nation. Ignorance usually breeds hate and not love. Or maybe being darker skinned is the key.
        jedimind 3y ago
        Is this a joke? It surely has to be. No one cares what some fantasy book teaches. God is not a registered real estate broker, as they also say: "Most Zionists don't even believe in God but they do believe that he 'promised' them Palestine" Regardless, your narrative is false because we know exactly what the founding father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, wrote about Zionism in great detail in his book "Der Judenstaat" and it was a colonial project from day 1. They even considered colonizing Alaska or Uganda before they decided to colonize Palestine. There is no hasbara you could tell me that I haven't heard before in my 20 years of dealing with zionists. All of your narratives contradict each other and try to deflect from the reality that "israel" is and was a colonial project from its inception.
        3y ago
- flandish 3y ago
  Funny how your thinking does not span over 20 years. For well over 100 years ago England was messing with the region. (Sykes picot) Getting european and american nation state influence and support of genocide out of the middle east is completely appropriate.
- lamontcg 3y ago
  > any of the history of the past 20 yrs we were attacked by 'thugs' on 9/11. afghanistan was still a predictably disastrous war.
Cyph0n 3y ago
No, they are - whether we like it or not - a legitimate player in Yemen. The US has interacted with the Houthis before, at the very least via its regional allies.
flandish 3y ago
Ask yourself - why are those shipping lanes important to America?
aaomidi 3y ago
We don’t negotiate with terrorists so therefore we will continue supporting a country actively being investigated for genocide and that has killed over 1% of the population of an area they occupy. Anyway, hope the football game or something went well.

Aka cede de facto authority over international waters to a buncha thugs whose official slogan includes “death to America, death to Israel”. No thanks.

by bdhess 3y ago

Aka cede de facto authority over international waters to a buncha thugs whose official slogan includes “death to America, death to Israel”. No thanks.

raverbashing 3y ago

One thing that seems to be confirmed over and over is how people who come up with "just negotiate with them" seem to have a thinking process that does not span over a couple of days Funny how those people never seem to have any reservations to what hamas did, or any of the history of the past 20 yrs

jedimind 3y ago
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- raverbashing 3y ago
  Not without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence > like the perpetual ethnic-cleansing Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries
  - Incipient 3y ago
    Fwiw, I both sides are so bloodstained that neither is the right choice. The absolute bare minimum of a position is "I'm taking the less bad side" but I think both are so awful neither honestly viable to support on a social level (political is different)
    - jedimind 3y ago
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  - jedimind 3y ago
    > Not without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence Of course not, why on earth would anyone tolerate a bunch of invaders taking over their land? Zionists are really still making that argument as if it makes a lick of sense. No sane human would react otherwise. >Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries What came first? Exactly, Zionists started ethnic-cleansing Palestinians and IN RESPONSE their neighbors acted in kind, which by the way was exactly what Zionists wanted anyway. They wanted and needed as many jews in occupied Palestine as possible, so it was an emotional response from their neighbors that was a moral and strategic mistake.
    - Morte42 3y ago
      For Zionists that isnt just land, its the land they got from god after Moses freed them from Egypt and split the sea to get them out of there and then close the sea on the pursuing Egyptians. The point of reclaiming Zion is to ultimately reclaim Mount Temple to build the Final Temple and usher in the end of days and an eternity of paradise. One of the strange things with Israel is a lot of people that are pro Israel dont know anything about the nation. Ignorance usually breeds hate and not love. Or maybe being darker skinned is the key.
      - jedimind 3y ago
        Is this a joke? It surely has to be. No one cares what some fantasy book teaches. God is not a registered real estate broker, as they also say: "Most Zionists don't even believe in God but they do believe that he 'promised' them Palestine" Regardless, your narrative is false because we know exactly what the founding father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, wrote about Zionism in great detail in his book "Der Judenstaat" and it was a colonial project from day 1. They even considered colonizing Alaska or Uganda before they decided to colonize Palestine. There is no hasbara you could tell me that I haven't heard before in my 20 years of dealing with zionists. All of your narratives contradict each other and try to deflect from the reality that "israel" is and was a colonial project from its inception.
        3y ago
flandish 3y ago
Funny how your thinking does not span over 20 years. For well over 100 years ago England was messing with the region. (Sykes picot) Getting european and american nation state influence and support of genocide out of the middle east is completely appropriate.
lamontcg 3y ago
> any of the history of the past 20 yrs we were attacked by 'thugs' on 9/11. afghanistan was still a predictably disastrous war.

Cyph0n 3y ago

No, they are - whether we like it or not - a legitimate player in Yemen. The US has interacted with the Houthis before, at the very least via its regional allies.

flandish 3y ago

Ask yourself - why are those shipping lanes important to America?

aaomidi 3y ago

We don’t negotiate with terrorists so therefore we will continue supporting a country actively being investigated for genocide and that has killed over 1% of the population of an area they occupy. Anyway, hope the football game or something went well.