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The data shows that one sector grows faster than the other. To conclude from this that they care about the climate is wishful thinking. Also even you yourself

by fellin 3y ago

The data shows that one sector grows faster than the other. To conclude from this that they care about the climate is wishful thinking. Also even you yourself claim > they need economic growth first Which weakens your point even further. Moreover your claim of > only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"> only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated. " Germany opened its last new coal plant 3 years ago. In theory the last one, but soon the government will change and this likeley as well. And our eastern neighbors poland and co. certainly won't give up on coal anytime soon. So much for rich countries. And china which is on average still poor, indeed invested more in coal than I was aware. But a coal tax specially for china seems rather geopolitical motivated to me.
- fellin 3y ago
  You claimed "only some countries" which seems to claim that most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants. Now you say that you only think of Germany, Poland and China.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants." They are. According to this only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so. And I think germany is included in that number - and I know for a fact, that this can change very quickly. https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-electricity-e5e41ae56f672fa50e7e3e593726d5a6 https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-ele...
    - fellin 3y ago
      Your link says: > The United States committed Saturday to the idea of phasing out coal power plants, joining 56 other nations in kicking the coal habit. This is completely different from what you claimed > only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so There is zero information about how many countries have any coal plants at all or how many are building new ones. The only information in the quote is about phasing out.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        My claim was and is, the majority of countries are still running coal, china is no exception there. Only some rich countries decided to phase out. My source confirms it. Do you have other sources?
        fellin 3y ago
        Your original claim: > (only some countries do not build coal plants anymore). This comment: > My claim was and is, the majority of countries are still running coal, china is no exception there. Can you spot the difference?
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        Difference, but no contradiction. But I also fail to see deeper meaning in this exchange.

by fellin 3y ago

hutzlibu 3y ago

"> only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated. " Germany opened its last new coal plant 3 years ago. In theory the last one, but soon the government will change and this likeley as well. And our eastern neighbors poland and co. certainly won't give up on coal anytime soon. So much for rich countries. And china which is on average still poor, indeed invested more in coal than I was aware. But a coal tax specially for china seems rather geopolitical motivated to me.

fellin 3y ago
You claimed "only some countries" which seems to claim that most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants. Now you say that you only think of Germany, Poland and China.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants." They are. According to this only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so. And I think germany is included in that number - and I know for a fact, that this can change very quickly. https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-electricity-e5e41ae56f672fa50e7e3e593726d5a6 https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-ele...
  - fellin 3y ago
    Your link says: > The United States committed Saturday to the idea of phasing out coal power plants, joining 56 other nations in kicking the coal habit. This is completely different from what you claimed > only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so There is zero information about how many countries have any coal plants at all or how many are building new ones. The only information in the quote is about phasing out.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      My claim was and is, the majority of countries are still running coal, china is no exception there. Only some rich countries decided to phase out. My source confirms it. Do you have other sources?
      - fellin 3y ago
        Your original claim: > (only some countries do not build coal plants anymore). This comment: > My claim was and is, the majority of countries are still running coal, china is no exception there. Can you spot the difference?
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        Difference, but no contradiction. But I also fail to see deeper meaning in this exchange.