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"China is the world's leader in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over triple the generation of the second-ranking country, the United

"China is the world's leader in electricity production from renewable energy sources, with over triple the generation of the second-ranking country, the United States. China's renewable energy sector is growing faster than its fossil fuels and nuclear power capacity" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China There are many things you can say about china, but they do take climate change serious (maybe because they have already problems with desertification).

jahnu 3y ago
Indeed! “ The International Energy Agency estimates that China more than doubled its solar generation capacity and added two-thirds to its wind generation capacity in 2023.” https://archive.is/b0qif https://archive.is/b0qif
hcurtiss 3y ago
How can you say that when they are simultaneously radically increasing coal power generation, as highlighted in the article? It appears to me they have an "all of the above" strategy driven by their desire for prosperity.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Because their renewable sector is growing faster than everything else? And has 3x the size of the vastly more rich USA? I did not say they are 100% green. They have real constraints, mainly yes, they need economic growth first - so they also build coal (only some countries do not build coal plants anymore).
  - fellin 3y ago
    The data shows that one sector grows faster than the other. To conclude from this that they care about the climate is wishful thinking. Also even you yourself claim > they need economic growth first Which weakens your point even further. Moreover your claim of > only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      "> only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated. " Germany opened its last new coal plant 3 years ago. In theory the last one, but soon the government will change and this likeley as well. And our eastern neighbors poland and co. certainly won't give up on coal anytime soon. So much for rich countries. And china which is on average still poor, indeed invested more in coal than I was aware. But a coal tax specially for china seems rather geopolitical motivated to me.
      - fellin 3y ago
        You claimed "only some countries" which seems to claim that most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants. Now you say that you only think of Germany, Poland and China.
        hutzlibu 3y ago
        "most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants." They are. According to this only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so. And I think germany is included in that number - and I know for a fact, that this can change very quickly. https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-electricity-e5e41ae56f672fa50e7e3e593726d5a6 https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-ele...
        fellin 3y ago
        Your link says: > The United States committed Saturday to the idea of phasing out coal power plants, joining 56 other nations in kicking the coal habit. This is completely different from what you claimed > only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so There is zero information about how many countries have any coal plants at all or how many are building new ones. The only information in the quote is about phasing out.
        hutzlibu 3y ago

jahnu 3y ago

Indeed! “ The International Energy Agency estimates that China more than doubled its solar generation capacity and added two-thirds to its wind generation capacity in 2023.” https://archive.is/b0qif https://archive.is/b0qif

hcurtiss 3y ago

How can you say that when they are simultaneously radically increasing coal power generation, as highlighted in the article? It appears to me they have an "all of the above" strategy driven by their desire for prosperity.

hutzlibu 3y ago
Because their renewable sector is growing faster than everything else? And has 3x the size of the vastly more rich USA? I did not say they are 100% green. They have real constraints, mainly yes, they need economic growth first - so they also build coal (only some countries do not build coal plants anymore).
- fellin 3y ago
  The data shows that one sector grows faster than the other. To conclude from this that they care about the climate is wishful thinking. Also even you yourself claim > they need economic growth first Which weakens your point even further. Moreover your claim of > only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "> only some countries do not build coal plants anymore is completely unsubstantiated. " Germany opened its last new coal plant 3 years ago. In theory the last one, but soon the government will change and this likeley as well. And our eastern neighbors poland and co. certainly won't give up on coal anytime soon. So much for rich countries. And china which is on average still poor, indeed invested more in coal than I was aware. But a coal tax specially for china seems rather geopolitical motivated to me.
    - fellin 3y ago
      You claimed "only some countries" which seems to claim that most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants. Now you say that you only think of Germany, Poland and China.
      - hutzlibu 3y ago
        "most of the 200-something countries in the world are building coal plants." They are. According to this only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so. And I think germany is included in that number - and I know for a fact, that this can change very quickly. https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-electricity-e5e41ae56f672fa50e7e3e593726d5a6 https://apnews.com/article/coal-climate-change-eliminate-ele...
        fellin 3y ago
        Your link says: > The United States committed Saturday to the idea of phasing out coal power plants, joining 56 other nations in kicking the coal habit. This is completely different from what you claimed > only 56 countries currently do not plan to do so There is zero information about how many countries have any coal plants at all or how many are building new ones. The only information in the quote is about phasing out.
        hutzlibu 3y ago