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How is Airbus doing meanwhile? I didn't hear about any production quality issues in their aircraft.

aledalgrande 3y ago
> The A320neo family has had four ground fatalities and one hull loss accident as of November 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320neo_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320neo_family A320neo is the direct competitor to the MAX. So yeah, they're doing pretty well.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  And that hull loss wasn't on account of a faulty design, assembly or process issues. Crew and passengers were unharmed after a collision with a firetruck crossing the runway while the aircraft was doing its take-off roll.
  - aledalgrande 3y ago
    Exactly, as I understand all those occurrencies were due to people on the runway for one reason or another.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      I am not familiar enough with that incident but I wonder how fast the plane was going and how close it was to actually being airborne, that seems like it must have been quite the impact but given that all crew survived there must be some factor that I'm missing. Blind luck either way. edit: 235 Kph! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBEE7bzatKk&t=47s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBEE7bzatKk&t=47s two 10ths of a second later and it would have been an entirely different story. Ugh.
- disiplus 3y ago
  i'm not sure are you being sarcastic, there were no fatalities on the airplane. but once motorcycle and another time a firetruck crashed with the plane and people died.
  - aledalgrande 3y ago
    I am not being sarcastic. Fatalities were unfortunate, but not due to the airplane design or manufacturing.
notahacker 3y ago
Half the A320neo fleet needs to be grounded for 250-300 days over the next year due to engine manufacturing issues affecting their wear (which tbf is entirely Pratt & Whitney's fault). Airbus settled a $2bn suit last year with Qatar Airways over A350 paint jobs so bad they grounded them and refused to take scheduled deliveries. You'll hear more about Boeing than the rest of the industry put together because this is HN...
- aledalgrande 3y ago
  So Airbus has fault for a paint job? While they should do better, that sounds a lot safer than airplanes losing pieces or crashing down to me. > You'll hear more about Boeing than the rest of the industry put together because this is HN... That's not it.
  - notahacker 3y ago
    > That's not it. I mean, it is. The Pratt & Whitney engine issue which is going to ground half the MAX's rival's aircraft for a year because a manufacturing fault makes the engine turbine blades liable to crack garnered two threads and zero comments (Boeing got more for a fun story about paper planes!). Airbus being found at fault but acquitted of involuntary manslaughter by a Paris court last year for the AF447 crash (a 2009 mid air stall with a few MCAS parallels) passed without comment. HN is not a place for aviation news
    - thatswrong0 3y ago
      > Airbus being found at fault but acquitted of involuntary manslaughter by a Paris court last year for the AF447 crash (a 2009 mid air stall with a few MCAS parallels) passed without comment “Company isn’t found criminally negligent in case where it pretty clearly wasn’t being criminally negligent” isn’t.. news. I’d be _really_ curious to hear what you think the MCAS parallels are (besides both cases involving a sensor malfunction) if you think that’s news.
      - notahacker 3y ago

> The A320neo family has had four ground fatalities and one hull loss accident as of November 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320neo_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320neo_family A320neo is the direct competitor to the MAX. So yeah, they're doing pretty well.

jacquesm 3y ago
And that hull loss wasn't on account of a faulty design, assembly or process issues. Crew and passengers were unharmed after a collision with a firetruck crossing the runway while the aircraft was doing its take-off roll.
- aledalgrande 3y ago
  Exactly, as I understand all those occurrencies were due to people on the runway for one reason or another.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    I am not familiar enough with that incident but I wonder how fast the plane was going and how close it was to actually being airborne, that seems like it must have been quite the impact but given that all crew survived there must be some factor that I'm missing. Blind luck either way. edit: 235 Kph! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBEE7bzatKk&t=47s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBEE7bzatKk&t=47s two 10ths of a second later and it would have been an entirely different story. Ugh.
disiplus 3y ago
i'm not sure are you being sarcastic, there were no fatalities on the airplane. but once motorcycle and another time a firetruck crashed with the plane and people died.
- aledalgrande 3y ago
  I am not being sarcastic. Fatalities were unfortunate, but not due to the airplane design or manufacturing.

notahacker 3y ago

Half the A320neo fleet needs to be grounded for 250-300 days over the next year due to engine manufacturing issues affecting their wear (which tbf is entirely Pratt & Whitney's fault). Airbus settled a $2bn suit last year with Qatar Airways over A350 paint jobs so bad they grounded them and refused to take scheduled deliveries. You'll hear more about Boeing than the rest of the industry put together because this is HN...

aledalgrande 3y ago
So Airbus has fault for a paint job? While they should do better, that sounds a lot safer than airplanes losing pieces or crashing down to me. > You'll hear more about Boeing than the rest of the industry put together because this is HN... That's not it.
- notahacker 3y ago
  > That's not it. I mean, it is. The Pratt & Whitney engine issue which is going to ground half the MAX's rival's aircraft for a year because a manufacturing fault makes the engine turbine blades liable to crack garnered two threads and zero comments (Boeing got more for a fun story about paper planes!). Airbus being found at fault but acquitted of involuntary manslaughter by a Paris court last year for the AF447 crash (a 2009 mid air stall with a few MCAS parallels) passed without comment. HN is not a place for aviation news
  - thatswrong0 3y ago
    > Airbus being found at fault but acquitted of involuntary manslaughter by a Paris court last year for the AF447 crash (a 2009 mid air stall with a few MCAS parallels) passed without comment “Company isn’t found criminally negligent in case where it pretty clearly wasn’t being criminally negligent” isn’t.. news. I’d be _really_ curious to hear what you think the MCAS parallels are (besides both cases involving a sensor malfunction) if you think that’s news.
    - notahacker 3y ago