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If your point is that the physicist should partner with someone who is a "professional programmer" ("carpenter") to do the coding, I couldn't disagree more, spe

by sidlls 3y ago

If your point is that the physicist should partner with someone who is a "professional programmer" ("carpenter") to do the coding, I couldn't disagree more, speaking as a former research physicist who wrote many programs while I was in academia. A "rough sketch" is not enough for a "carpenter" to go off of for the programs a physicist using computational techniques is writing. They'd need to have a sophisticated understanding of the physics and the mathematical model involved: which almost no "carpenters" have.

9dev 3y ago
Now we’re lost in metaphors. A carpenter should definitely be able to build a pergola from a rough paper sketch, and a software engineer should be able to build a machine learning system from an algorithm paper by a data scientist.
- sidlls 3y ago
  That really depends on what you mean by "machine learning system." For a business, implementing some researched algorithm and essentially using a template? Sure, it's possible. The research that goes into producing the algorithm in the first place? Probably not. There may be some classes of scientific programming which have simple enough models for a software engineer to implement. Scientific programming that relies on deep understanding of the domain and mathematical models employed to study it don't fit in that category.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    Of course it always depends on the context. But my point still stands: a software developer is someone specialising in creating and maintaining code for an application. Any domain knowledge they may need for a particular application doesn’t matter here; their core skill set is software, whereas a scientists core skill set is active research. Just because some scientific disciplines require extensive programming doesn’t make those scientists good software engineers: Producing an algorithm is different from generating revenue from it.

by sidlls 3y ago

9dev 3y ago

Now we’re lost in metaphors. A carpenter should definitely be able to build a pergola from a rough paper sketch, and a software engineer should be able to build a machine learning system from an algorithm paper by a data scientist.

sidlls 3y ago
That really depends on what you mean by "machine learning system." For a business, implementing some researched algorithm and essentially using a template? Sure, it's possible. The research that goes into producing the algorithm in the first place? Probably not. There may be some classes of scientific programming which have simple enough models for a software engineer to implement. Scientific programming that relies on deep understanding of the domain and mathematical models employed to study it don't fit in that category.
- 9dev 3y ago
  Of course it always depends on the context. But my point still stands: a software developer is someone specialising in creating and maintaining code for an application. Any domain knowledge they may need for a particular application doesn’t matter here; their core skill set is software, whereas a scientists core skill set is active research. Just because some scientific disciplines require extensive programming doesn’t make those scientists good software engineers: Producing an algorithm is different from generating revenue from it.