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It's not the youngster who are jobless is the older software engineers who never learned to learn new concepts. The older programmer to so much time to learn e

by Radzell 14y ago

It's not the youngster who are jobless is the older software engineers who never learned to learn new concepts. The older programmer to so much time to learn everything from algorithms , to cryptography, and things that are analytical they forget about learning new technologies. Yoru comment shows why older people have difficult getting jobs. It took you a day to understand how a listview work while a good young programmer who understand technologies should be able to pick up any technology and understand it in a few weeks.

tgflynn 14y ago
Try reading what I actually wrote instead of what your preconceptions and prejudices are telling you. It took my a day to find out that ListView's do not work.
rasur 14y ago
So, you're not an English major then?
sausagefeet 14y ago
I think newer programmer's just work for less. There really isn't that much new under the sun in software engineering.
- jwoah12 14y ago
  Really? And here I was thinking that my discipline was one of the most rapidly evolving on the planet...
  - Retric 14y ago
    Not so much, mostly people keep reinventing the wheel over and over again. Consider, there is vary little that separates handheld Apps from desktop applications. Sure, if you come from the Web side of things it seems new and nifty but they are just stand alone applications. Capacitive sensing touch screens where where new in 1965, but wait it's 2012. http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html People worry about what happens when desktop CPU's have hundreds of cores, but the super computer world is already dealing with hundreds of thousands of cores etc. PS: I think this relates to the hacker mentality. If you find a problem you look for a solution rater than see how other people solved the same problem 30 years ago.
  - dmpk2k 14y ago
    This betrays a stark lack of perspective. What's old is often new again, in different guises.
  - 16s 14y ago
    A loop is a loop. Math doesn't change much either. Nor does the concept of space and time, etc. It seems new and different to young people, but underneath, it's mostly the same as it was 40 years ago.
  - gaius 14y ago
    Since the 70s, most apps have comprised "forms" (screens for a user to enter something, that will be stored in a database) and "reports" (screen that nicely format the contents of a database). This is all Facebook et al really are...
  - pnathan 14y ago
    Nah, go read some of the academic papers from the 70s. We haven't moved very far in software. The hardware shininess obscures that though.
nirvana 14y ago
> Yoru comment shows why older people have difficult getting jobs. You make several assumptions about him that don't seem supported, but worse why make this personal? > It took you a day to understand how a listview work while a good young programmer who understand technologies should be able to pick up any technology and understand it in a few weeks. So, older people don't get jobs because it takes them a day to pick up what a young programmer can understand in a "few weeks"? Really?
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  I think he meant it only takes them a "few weeks" to understand a whole technology (e.g the entire Android API rather than the listview). I think part of the reason you can feel like you are learning faster when you are younger is because you look at everything enthusiastically and hammer through your education seeking out the juicy good bits of a technology and kind of glossing over everything else. As I get older I find myself evaluating things much more slowly and cynically, checking under every rock for things that can bite me in the ass.
Hoff 14y ago
The parent was commenting on a broken framework, something that should be an anathema in any shipping product, and around spending (wasting) time determining that the API itself was faulty. Replacing the faulty API call took two hours. But to follow onto to your point, it's also the case that the younger programmers can need a decade or more to make enough mistakes; to variously learn what the older programmers already know about various fundamentals of the programming and product-creation business. And to extend your point, it's been my experience that having a team of younger programmers is just as big a headache and as big a mistake as having a team comprised entirely of older programmers. A mix works better, as the younger folks teach the older folks and they bring knowledge of new technologies and volumes of enthusiasm, and the older folks can teach the younger programmers about temperance, testing, productization and business in general.

by Radzell 14y ago

tgflynn 14y ago

Try reading what I actually wrote instead of what your preconceptions and prejudices are telling you. It took my a day to find out that ListView's do not work.

rasur 14y ago

So, you're not an English major then?

sausagefeet 14y ago

I think newer programmer's just work for less. There really isn't that much new under the sun in software engineering.

jwoah12 14y ago
Really? And here I was thinking that my discipline was one of the most rapidly evolving on the planet...
- Retric 14y ago
  Not so much, mostly people keep reinventing the wheel over and over again. Consider, there is vary little that separates handheld Apps from desktop applications. Sure, if you come from the Web side of things it seems new and nifty but they are just stand alone applications. Capacitive sensing touch screens where where new in 1965, but wait it's 2012. http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html http://www.billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html People worry about what happens when desktop CPU's have hundreds of cores, but the super computer world is already dealing with hundreds of thousands of cores etc. PS: I think this relates to the hacker mentality. If you find a problem you look for a solution rater than see how other people solved the same problem 30 years ago.
- dmpk2k 14y ago
  This betrays a stark lack of perspective. What's old is often new again, in different guises.
- 16s 14y ago
  A loop is a loop. Math doesn't change much either. Nor does the concept of space and time, etc. It seems new and different to young people, but underneath, it's mostly the same as it was 40 years ago.
- gaius 14y ago
  Since the 70s, most apps have comprised "forms" (screens for a user to enter something, that will be stored in a database) and "reports" (screen that nicely format the contents of a database). This is all Facebook et al really are...
- pnathan 14y ago
  Nah, go read some of the academic papers from the 70s. We haven't moved very far in software. The hardware shininess obscures that though.

nirvana 14y ago

> Yoru comment shows why older people have difficult getting jobs. You make several assumptions about him that don't seem supported, but worse why make this personal? > It took you a day to understand how a listview work while a good young programmer who understand technologies should be able to pick up any technology and understand it in a few weeks. So, older people don't get jobs because it takes them a day to pick up what a young programmer can understand in a "few weeks"? Really?

jiggy2011 14y ago
I think he meant it only takes them a "few weeks" to understand a whole technology (e.g the entire Android API rather than the listview). I think part of the reason you can feel like you are learning faster when you are younger is because you look at everything enthusiastically and hammer through your education seeking out the juicy good bits of a technology and kind of glossing over everything else. As I get older I find myself evaluating things much more slowly and cynically, checking under every rock for things that can bite me in the ass.

Hoff 14y ago

The parent was commenting on a broken framework, something that should be an anathema in any shipping product, and around spending (wasting) time determining that the API itself was faulty. Replacing the faulty API call took two hours. But to follow onto to your point, it's also the case that the younger programmers can need a decade or more to make enough mistakes; to variously learn what the older programmers already know about various fundamentals of the programming and product-creation business. And to extend your point, it's been my experience that having a team of younger programmers is just as big a headache and as big a mistake as having a team comprised entirely of older programmers. A mix works better, as the younger folks teach the older folks and they bring knowledge of new technologies and volumes of enthusiasm, and the older folks can teach the younger programmers about temperance, testing, productization and business in general.